Over the years, there have been tons of repeated questions about driving cars into Mexico under Tourist Visas, FM2′s, FM3′s, and FMM’s. RollyBrook and others have lots of good stuff, but here’s a Yucalandia view: (Updated April 4, 2012)
Basically all foreign cars and pickups (no dually’s) can be temporarily imported by expats with FMM’s (Visitor and Tourist Visas), and FM3′s (No Inmigrante Rentista & No Inmigrante Lucrativo) or FM2′s (but only FM2-Inmigrante Rentista), by getting a Temporary Import Permit (permiso de importación temporal de vehículos) from Aduana/Banjercito.
Advantages & Disadvantages of Permanent v Temporary Import Permits:
With a permanent importation permit:
~ You can sell the car here in Mexico.
~ You can keep the car in Mexico as long as you want, regardless of INM status.
~ Mexican drivers can drive your car, without you (or some other expat) being in the car.
~ You must license the car here, and renew your State registration every year ($$).
~ You may have to pay annual State ownership taxes (tenencias $$) depending on your State’s rules.
~ You can only import 8, 9, or 10 year old NAFTA vehicles for modest import duties.
~ You pay no cash deposit when you bring the car into Mexico.
~ You do not have to go to a (non-airport) Aduana’s office every year to register your new INM permit expiration date.
With a temporary importation permit
~ You cannot sell the car here in Mexico.
~ You can only keep the car in Mexico with current & select types of INM permits.
…~ ~ ~ (e.g. If you change from FM2 Rentista to Inmigrado, then you cannot keep the car here on a Temporary Import Permit-)
~ Mexican drivers cannot drive your car, without you (or some other expat) being in the car.
~ You do not have to license the car here, and many States do not require that you keep your foreign plates current.
~ You pay no annual State ownership taxes (tenencias $$).
~ You can import just about any car or truck.
~ You have to pay a cash deposit when you bring the car into Mexico the first time.
~ You must go to a (non-airport) Aduana’s office every year to register your new INM permit expiration date.
Specifics: NAFTA cars and non-dually pickups, 8-10 years old, qualify for a Permanent Import permit, but the expat must: be a citizen or resident (FM2, FM3, or Inmigrado); and the vehicle must be manufactured or assembled in a NAFTA country; and it must 8-9 years old for expensive duties for permanent importation or 10 years old to be permanently imported more cheaply. The permanent import process is called tramite => “nationalizing” in English, see Aduana‘s website: “Importing Used Autos”, where the Model Year is determined as the automotive year period between November 1′st from one year to October 31 of the following year. Check your VIN to see if your vehicle was made in a NAFTA country and to determine its manufacture date.
Note: If the first character of the VIN is a number, then it is a NAFTA vehicle.
Here is a link to the Mexican Govt’s official VIN Checker with import duties : http://paisano.prevalidadorcaaarem.org.mx/Cotizador/ .
Exceptions to the rules: Cars over 29 years old also qualify for free importation as “classics”. 8-9 year old vehicles designed to haul more than 16 people, cement mixers and other heavy vehicles are allowed to be permanently imported at 10% taxes. There are also special rules for importing 5-9 year old vehicles into the Baja California y California Sur, and special zones of Sonora, but these categories affect few expats, so, we will say no more on these exceptions: http://www.aduanas.sat.gob.mx/aduana_mexico/2008/vehiculos/141_10175.html . There are also special exemptions from requirements to get a vehicle import permit, if the vehicle only stays in special “Free Zones”: along the border, parts of Sonora, Baja California, and Quintana Roo. The vehicle must enter Mexico with no Temporary Import Permint, and then stay within these zones.
There are also Temporary Permits are issued to FMM, FM3 (No Inmigrante Rentista), and FM2-Rentista (Inmigrante Rentista) visa holders that allow the visa holder to drive around Mexico, while the vehicle keeps its foreign license plates, and foreign title & registration. (See below: Articulo 106 de la Ley Aduanera.) Temporary permitted vehicles must be returned at the end of the visa’s period, or the car can be confiscated by Mexican officials. Vistor’s FMM’s and hence their temporary permits are for 180 days, while vehicles temporarily imported under FM3 & FM2 Rentista are allowed to stay in Mexico as long as the visa remains valid. Whenever the vehicle leaves Mexico, the owner of the vehicle must stop at Aduana (Banjercito) offices at the border to either get a permit to exit and return multiple times, or have Aduana remove the import-sticker.
Leaving Mexico with the Vehicle and Returning Later:
For expats with FM3 or FM2 Rentista permits leaving and re-entering Mexico with their foreign-plated vehicle, there is a Partial Return program (Retorno Parcial). From Aduana’s website (Google Translation): “Banjercito records exit and return information in the system, and it delivers a partial return receipt to the importer, so you can make multiple entries and exits during the term of the permit.” “Exiting From and Returning To Mexico for Temporary Permit Vehicles”
The drive-out / drive-back-in dilemma is really common. Hundreds of expats report years of driving out of Mexico without stopping at the border Banjercita office to get their multiple re-entry and exit permit. Some expats are now writing back to say that their vehicles are NOT allowed back into Mexico, ever. A few expats w/vehicles under Temporary Permits later write back to say that their vehicles are not allowed back into Mexico, ever. Of those who write about NOT being allowed to re-enter with the vehicle, a few report 1-2 years of filing documents with Aduana in failed attempts to get the mess un-knotted.
Here are a few small cautions about intentionally crossing the border and NOT turning in the Aduana/Banjercito sticker:
~ If your car is stolen NOB, then you are likely screwed forever for bringing another foreign-plated vehicle into Mexico on a Temporary Import Permit.
~ If your car is wrecked – or the windshield smashed while NOB, … you will likely find it very difficult and time-consuming to get the Mex. Gob. to honor your claim for returning the old sticker.
~ If you sell the car abroad, … you will likely find it very difficult and time-consuming to get the Mex. Gob. to honor your claim for returning the old sticker.
~ If you choose to return to Mexico with a different vehicle, … you will likely find it very difficult and time-consuming to get the Mex. Gob. to honor your claim for returning the old sticker.
Keeping those items in mind, I don’t think the choice to turn-in the sticker to Aduana or to keep the sticker is an automatic “gimme” as you leave Mexico. I suspect some people choose to turn in their stickers to avoid future hassles – and to be allowed to easily drive a different vehicle on a future return. Others come and go with no hassles. To each his own.
The negative consequences of leaving and a failed attempt to return without the permit:
~ The owner is never allowed to have another foreign-plated vehicle in Mexico under their visa;
~ they have to find a place to store or sell their car/truck in the USA or Canada while they are in Mexico;
~ they have to find alternate transport to their Mexican home; and
~ if they want to have a car in Mexico, they have to buy car in Mexico, because they aren’t ever allowed to temporarily import a different one under their FMM, FM2, or FM3 again.
Can you live with this set of consequences? Do you like to roll the dice.*
If not, then stop at the Banjercito office at your border crossing and get a multiple exit and re-entry permit (see web address in the article above for details).
*Rolling the dice on INM and Aduana catching ex-pats breaking the rules, had much much better odds in the past, when paper systems ruled these operations, but now in the era of computerized data-bases, I think we will be hearing of much more enforcement of these easily-tracked easily-detected violations.
Want to end the “no front license plate” hassles?
Many foreign vehicles are only issued a single license plate for the back. Having no front plate triggers minor hassles across Mexico, since Mexican police at retens (police checkpoints) frequently pull over vehicles for 5 – 30 minute inspections and document reviews. Solutions? Friends of ours simply took their license plate into a print shop (the kind that makes small signs) and had them create a plastic front plate for about $8. Alternately, you can instead scan your rear plate, print a high quality color copy, and laminate the color copy.
They install the mock plate while in Mexico, and fly through the retens.
Mexican Customs Law Governing Expat Vehicle Operation and Temporary Importations:
The main part of Mexican Customs Law (Ley Aduanera) that covers expat driving and importation issues is Article 106, and the Operations Manual for Temporarily Imported Vehicles, page 45, Sec. 17-17.4 (“Manual Importacion de Vehiculos”“ and the section describing how your car’s permission to stay follows some changes in Immigration status: “Obligación de registrar y retornar el vehículo““)
Article 106 basically says two things:
- Your car registration is valid as long as your FMM, FMT, FM2, or FM3 is valid; and
- It describes who is allowed to drive your car. (see below)
Article 106 allows foreigners to temporarily import a car into Mexico for the duration of the registered importer’s immigration status: e.g. 180 day FMM visa gives 180 days for their car; FM3 & FM2 holders have the 365 days for their car (plus any extensions or re-applications).
It is also worth noting that:
- The car import sticker is valid as long as the holder’s Visa remains valid, regardless of the expiration date shown on the import sticker. FM3 period = Vehicle’s approved period. Except you put your Bajercito deposit at risk if you do not notify Aduana annually of INM visa renewals or changes in your visa. ~ See instructions below on how to do this.
- As long as you made your original deposit with a Credit Card before June 11. 2011, there is no requirement for the driver to go to a border crossing / car permit office to renew it.
- You are required to notify the Mexican Customs office IF YOU MADE A CASH DEPOSIT TO REGISTER YOUR CAR or if you made a credit card deposit after June 11, 2011. This notification (including copies of the vehicle permit and copies of the renewed Visa) is made by taking a letter to your Aduana office describing your name, INM visa type, the new expiration date for renewals, NUT, address, your passport, your driver’s license, your comprabante, and the car’s information, along with copies of “everything” – including the 3 copies of this notification letter – all submitted within 14 days of the visa change or visa renewal.
- Aduana’s practices appear to have recently changed, where the Progreso Aduana office is now telling expats with Inmigrante or No Inmigrante visas that they must keep an approved copy in the car of the renewal notification letter they give to Aduana when they have renewed or changed their visa with INM.
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Example Letter Notifying Aduana of changes-in or renewals-to your INM Visa
Your Location and Today’s Date
Lic. ______ _______
(For Progreso Aduana Office: use Mariano Bueno Guerrero)
Administrador de la Aduana
de _______ (city of your Aduana office), _____________, (your State)
For Progreso, use:
Administrador de la Aduana de Progreso
Presente,
Por este medio la gue suscribe _______ (your last name), ____ _____ (first and middle names), pasaporte no. __________________ (enter passport number), notifico a esa autoridad aduanera mi: “cambio migratorio de ingreso a Mexico” (for changes in visa status) or “cambio de fecha de caucidad a _______ (enter your new visa expiration date) de mi ______ (your visa category: e.g. No Inmigrante Rentista for FM3′s or Inmigrante Rentista for FM2′s), de NUT ______ (your NUT number from your FM2 or FM3), esto a fin de esa autoridad esta notificada y se me de una extension de permanencia de mi vehiculo.
Mi dirección es:
(enter your address and official postal code)
Mi número de teléfono es: (enter your telephone number)
Mi información de coche es:
Marca:
Modelo:
Con VIN:
Entrego para constancia copias de:
1. Permiso temporal de vehiculo
2. Pasaporte (first 2 pages)
3. Cambio migratorio nuevo (or) Renovación de mi permiso INM
4. Comprobante domiciliario
Atentamente,
_____ _____ (Your Signature)
_____ _____ (Your Printed Name)
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After you submit this letter for notifying Aduana/Banjercito that your visa status or visa expiration date has changed, Aduana will approve your letter/application and they will either:
~ ask you to return to their office in a few days (typically 2), to pick up one of the (now approved) copies of your letter (since you gave them the original and 2 copies) to keep in your car to show the Police during any future stops;
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There have been many reports on the internet of Mexican police rejecting/challenging ex-pat drivers’ claims that their sticker expiration date is the same as their FM3′s or FM2′s exp. date, so, we suggest you keep the following items in your car:
~ A copy of Sec. 17-14.4
~ A copy of Article 106 in both Spanish and English (Spanish for the Police to read, see below)
~ The Aduana approved copy of your letter notifying Aduana of any visa status or visa expiration date changes; and
~ A copy of the Visa and passaport of the expat to whom the Temporary Import permit was issued.
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It is worth noting that you may keep your US or Canadian licensed vehicle here even when you have Inmigrante (FM2) status, but only if that FM2 does not allow you to work in Mexico (Inmigrante Rentista). If your FM2 includes a work permit, then you may not keep a foreign plated vehicle here. FM3′s with or without work permits are allowed to keep foreign plated vehicles here in Mexico.
In another twist of the regulations, you must notify Aduana in person with a simple letter and supporting documents, formally notifying Aduana within 15 days of your change in visa status from FMM to FM2 or FM2 or “prórroga” (extension or renewal of your visa), so, Aduana can change the temporary status of your vehicle in their computer records, per:
“Obligación de registrar y retornar el vehículo
Si usted no retorna el vehículo, su garantía se hará efectiva y Banjército transferirá el monto a la Tesorería de la Federación, a más tardar al segundo día hábil bancario siguiente a aquel en que haya vencido el plazo de la importación temporal. Si usted dejó una garantía y obtiene prórroga, ampliación o refrendo a su calidad o cambio en la calidad migratoria de no inmigrante a inmigrante rentista, siempre que exista continuidad en las calidades migratorias, para que la misma no se haga efectiva deberá presentar de forma personal en cualquiera de las 49 aduanas del país un escrito en formato libre, dando aviso de dicha circunstancia, dentro de los 15 días hábiles siguientes a aquel en que le hubiere sido otorgada la prórroga, ampliación, refrendo o cambio en la calidad migratoria de inmigrante a inmigrante rentista, debiendo anexar copia del comprobante de dicho trámite, así como del permiso de importación temporal del vehículo y, en su caso, la tarjeta de internación.
Readers may note the bolded section that says that the applicant must make the application in person to Aduana within 15 days of renewal/change, along with the documents and letter listed above in this article.
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Documentos necesarios para comprobar la calidad migratoria Para Extranjeros:
Official list of documents for notifying Aduana of your new/changed INM visa information:
Original y copia de su identificación oficial vigente la cual puede ser:
Tarjeta de residencia emitida por la autoridad migratoria en el extranjero
Pasaporte: Passport Card
Enhaced Driver License and ID Card (EDL/ID)
Certificado de naturalización emitido por el Departamento de Justicia de los Estados Unidos de América
La documentación expedida por el Instituto Nacional de Migración que acredite su calidad migratoria autorizada para el trámite. ”
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Here is a slightly different form of the registration letter to deliver to Aduana: (from Rolly Brook’s excellent site) with some modifications requested by the Progreso Aduana office.
Fecha: Today’s Date
Administración General de Aduanas
Insert your local Aduana Offices Administrators Name
and Address here
Por medio de la presente me permito informarle a used que El Instituto Nacional de Migración de este país me ha concedido prorroga (for visa renewals) en mi calidad migratoria por el tiempo de __*__ días para permanecer en México, con vencimiento del día __**____.
[*= number of days of your FM3 renewal – usually 365]
[**= expiration date of your renewal]
Lo que estoy avisando a esta autoridad para los efectos del Articulo 106, fracción IV, inciso a de la Ley Aduanera, con respecto a la importación temporal de mi vehículo:
Mi dirección es:(enter your address and official postal code)
Mi número de teléfono es: (enter your telephone number)
Mi número de pasaporte es: (enter your passport number and nationality)
La categoria y el NUT de mi permiso de INM es: (enter your visa type and NUT from your INM visa)
Marca:_____________________ [Make of car]
Modelo: ___________________ [Model of car]
No de serie_________________ [VIN]
Efectuada por la Aduana de _______________________ [where you got the permit]
Amparo del Permiso de Importación Temporal No. _______ [hologram number]
Fecha de Entrada del vehículo: _______________ [date of entry with vehicle]
Fecha de Vencimiento del Permiso: ___________ [expiration date of permit]
Para que pueda prolongarse el plazo del vehículo mientras dure mi calidad migratoria.
Atentamente,
[Your signature]
[Your name]
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Leaving Mexico with the Vehicle:
When you leave Mexico with the vehicle imported under a Visitor Visa (FMM), the sticker must be removed-by and retained -by the Mexican Customs Authorities. If you do not have them remove the sticker, and have them register the exit of your vehicle from Mexico, then their computer tracking will not allow you to bring in any future vehicles, as there is only one vehicle allowed per visa/person – and their computer system will show that you already have a vehicle in Mexico.
When you leave Mexico with the vehicle imported under a No Inmigrante or Inmigrante Rentista (FM3 Rentista or FM2 Rentista), you have to decide if you are returning to Mexico with the vehicle later or if you will not return the vehicle to Mexico. If you are NOT returning the vehicle to Mexico later, the sticker must be removed-by and retained -by the Mexican Customs Authorities. If you do not have them remove the sticker, and have them register the exit of your vehicle from Mexico, then their computer tracking will not allow you to bring in any future vehicles, as there is only one vehicle allowed per visa/person – and their computer system will show that you already have a vehicle in Mexico.
For expats with FM3′s or FM2 Rentista permits leaving and re-entering Mexico with their vehicle, there is a Partial Return program. From Aduana’s website (Google Translation): “Banjercito records exit and return information in the system, and it delivers a partial return receipt to the importer, so you can make multiple entries and exits during the term of the permit.” “Exiting From and Returning To Mexico for Temporary Permit Vehicles”
Specifics: Remember the Banjercito office you registered your car at when you entered? When you are leaving Mexico, you need to return to the corresponding BANJERCITO office at the border crossing where/when you are crossing back into the USA with the vehicle. They will check your vehicle & your Temporary Import Permit, and log your vehicle into their computer system as having exited Mexico officially. Banjercito gives you a return certificate to document the change. As with all similar papers, keep this receipt for when you drive back into Mexico in the future (proof that you are allowed to bring another vehicle into Mexico, since the prior vehicle was not left in Mexico).
On the off chance that you drove out of Mexico without canceling the permit, then you must return with the car with the Mexican Aduana sticker intact. If that is not possible, it takes special actions and several months of Mexican Gob. actions to clear up the mess. (A good friend from Louisiana reports that it took her over a year to unknot the problems…) At last word, you can call 1 877 448 8728 from the USA or Canada for more information (in Spanish of course). You can then file a formal written request to document your proof that the vehicle cannot be brought back to the Mexican border to:
Administración General de Aduanas
Administración Central de Operación Aduanera
Administración de Operación Aduanera “3”
Av. Hidalgo No. 77, Módulo IV, 1° piso, Del. Cuauhtémoc
Col. Guerrero, C.P. 06300, México D.F.
If you choose this route, here are the basics of what’s needed (Note: this is only if you drove out without registering the vehicle’s exit, and cannot take the vehicle back to the border due to vehicle’s sale, accident, theft, loss in a divorce settlement etc.):
- A notarized letter that explains precisely why you cannot bring the vehicle to the border (in Spanish) and describing the current legal / physical status of the vehicle.
- Copies of the title & registration you used when you took the vehicle into Mexico.
- Your original permit from Banjercito & the sticker from the vehicle (plus a foto of the VIN is very helpful).
- Sufficient documentation to prove your claim of: sale of vehicle, accident, loss in a divorce settlement, theft. Fotos of accidents/total wreck, police reports, official bills of sale – notarized, copies of divorce papers, insurance company reports, etc and other documents that prove your claim are usually necessary. Some past claimants have found that fotos of a wrecked vehicle showing the sticker intact were helpful.
- Your current contact information: home address, phone & e-mail.
Does all this make it clear why it’s worth it to remember to stop and register your vehicle’s exit from Mexico, and let the Aduana folks remove the sticker?
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Leaving Mexico without your Vehicle Registered under an FMM: (Hint: Don’t)
If you entered Mexico with a valid FM2 or FM3, then there are no issues leaving Mexico without the vehicle. If, however, you enter Mexico on an FMM, then you must leave only with the vehicle. The vehicle’s permit sticker has control numbers associated with your FMM, and when you leave the country (e.g. by flying), then when you depart Mexico, they take your old FMM.
When you re-enter Mexico, they issue a new FMM, and the number on the new FMM will not correspond to the control number on your car’s sticker, which will potentially cause big problems when you attempt to leave Mexico with the vehicle.
What to Do If Your Car Becomes “Illegal”:
If your car becomes illegal due to visa changes, visa’s expiring, or whatever reason, you can apply for a free temporary permit that gives you 3-5 days to remove the vehicle from Mexico. Check out Aduanas website for instructions on how to apply: “Safely Returning Autos”“
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IMPORTANT RULES FOR OPERATING FOREIGN PLATED CARS IN MEXICO:
Many people who drive across and around Mexico in their Temporary Import Permit cars swear-by keeping a copy of Article 106 and Article 17-17.4 (of the Customs Law) in their car, because many/most Mexican Police do not know the rules.
Here are a copies to print and carry in the car:
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Que Se Entiende Por Régimen De Importación Temporal
ARTICULO 106 de la Ley Aduanera
Se entiende por régimen de importación temporal, la entrada al país de mercancías para permanecer en el por tiempo limitado y con una finalidad especifica, siempre que retornen al extranjero en el mismo estado, por los siguientes plazos.
FRACCION IV. Por el plazo que dure su calidad migratoria, incluyendo sus prorrogas, en los casos.Las de vehículos que sean propiedad de turistas,visitantes, visitantes locales y distinguidos, estudiantes e inmigrantes rentistas, siempre que los mismos sean de su propiedad a excepción de turistasy visitantes locales. Cuando no sean de su propiedad deberán cumplirse los requisitos que establezca el Reglamento. Los vehículos podrán ser conducidos en territorio nacional por un extranjero que tenga algunas de las calidades migratorias a que se refiere este inciso, por el cónyuge, los ascendientes o descendientes del importador, aun cuando estos ultimo no sean extranjeros, o por un nacional, siempre que en este ultimo caso, viaje a bordo del mismo cualquiera de las personas autorizadas para conducir el vehiculo.
Los vehículos a que se refiere este inciso, deberán cumplir con los requisitosque señale el reglamento.
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Manual de Operación para la Importación Temporal de Vehículos y Motocicletas: Articulo 17 de la Ley Aduanera
17.- El plazo para retornar los vehiculos que hubieran sido importados temporalmente al amparo de las calidades migratorias señaladas en la ley, será el de la vigencia de la calidad migratoria, sus prórrogas, apliaciones o refrendos otorgados a dichas calidades migratorial conforme a Ley de la materia.
17.1.- Para estos efectos la prórroga de la vigencia del permiso de importación temporal del vehiculo se acreditará con el documento oficial que emita la autoridad migratoria, sin que se requira autorización de las autoridades aduaneras; en este caso, el permiso de importación temporal se mantendrá vigente aún y cuando el importador haya obtenido cambio en la calidad migratoria de no inmigrante a inmigrante rentista, siempre que exista continuidad en las calidades migratorias.
17.4.- En caso de que el trámite de importación temporal se haya efectuado mediante tarjeta bancaria, y la documentación esté completa, el responsable del CIITEV de la aduana que corresponda, procederá a informa al interesado que no es necesario la presentación de dicho aviso, en virtud de que su vehiculo se encuentra legal en el territorio nacional mientras continúe vigente su calidad migratoria, incluyendo sus prórrogas, ampliaciones o refrendos.
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English copies of Article 106 and Sec. 17-17.4
Customs Law: Temporary Vehicle Importation Regulations
Temporary importation is understood as the entry of merchandise into the country, which will remain in it for a limited period of time and for a specific purpose, so long as it is returned abroad in the same condition. The former applies for the following term:
PART IV. For the term of his or her migratory status, including extensions, in the following cases: Vehicles owned by tourists, visitors, local visitors and distinguished visitors, students, and immigrants who are tenants, whenever said vehicles are their own, excepting tourists and local visitors. When the vehicles are not their own, requirements established within the regulations must be met. Such vehicles may be driven within the national territory by a foreigner –the importer holding one of the migratory status referred to in this paragraph, by his or hers spouse, parents or descendants, even when the latter are not foreigners: and by a Mexican as long as one of the persons authorized to drive the vehicle travels with him or her in the car.
Vehicles referred to in this section must meet the requirements pointed out in the regulations.
Manual de Operación para la Importación Temporal de Vehículos y Motocicletas: Sec. 17-17.4
17.- The deadline to return the vehicles [that] had been imported temporarily under immigration grades defined by law, this means the effect of immigration status, extensions, or endorsements given to these qualities migratorial [types of immigration status]under the Act.
17.1.- For this purpose an extension of the duration of the temporary import permit of the vehicle will be credited with an official document issued by the immigration authorities, without the required authorization of the customs authorities, in this case, the temporary import permit will remain valid even and when the importer has obtained the change in immigration status of No Inmigrante to Inmigrante Rentista, provided there is continuity in the immigration status.
17.4 .- If the temporary importation procedure has been made by credit card, and the documentation is complete, the head of CIITEV of the customs office, shall inform the person concerned that it is not necessary to submit such notice, which is required for those with a cash deposit guarantee (referring to paragraphs 17.2 and 17.3], under as their vehicle is legal in the country while their immigration status remains in place, including extensions, extensions or endorsements.
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Here are a few other things to carry in the car, that really help (are necessary?) if / when the Mexican police stop you:
- All original documents that were issued with the car’s Mexican importation sticker.
- A copy of the visa associated with the car’s sticker: FMM, FM2, or FM3.
- A copy of the passport associated with the car’s sticker.
- A copies of Article 106 & Sec. 17-17.4 (shown above).
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Oct. 2011 Addition:
If your foreign plated car is stolen in Mexico, you owe Aduana a 40% tax (as the Import tax) for not being able to take the car out of Mexico, as you agreed-to when you got your Temporary Import permit. Aduana instituted this fee because past expats would dump their foreign plated cars that they did not want to take back to the border, and then claim that “My car was stolen.” to get around the Aduana requirements.
If you choose to not pay the tax, you forfeit your future rights to Temporarily Import another car and drive it here with foreign plates.
http://www.aduanas.gob.mx/aduana_mexico/2008/vehiculos/141_11258.html
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Happy Trails,
steve
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Disclaimer: This information is not meant as legal advice. It is for educational and informational purposes only. Government policies vary between States and offices, and Mexican Government officials have broad discretion in how they individually enforce policies, so, your personal experiences may vary. See a professional for advice on important issues.
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Thanks for the excellent info. Does the term “spouse” include common-law as well?
Calliope,
See the reply I made above to your questions about bringing in a car and a common law husband.
steve
Observed your website via google the other day and absolutely liked it so much. Carry on the truly great work.
Can anyone recommend moving companies to the Yucatan?
Thanks
Tony,
Our information on good shippers is out of date, so, I suggest you post the question on Yolisto. There are plenty of ex-pats on that site with experiences from the last few years.
Much Luck with the move!
steve
Hi, Steve,
This is a question related to driving in Mexico. I would like to get your opinion on what type of vehicle would be best for two gringos and their dogs to be driving around the Yucatan in, in the first few months of 2011. We are considering the vehicle we currently own here in BC, Canada, which is a white Dodge 1-ton Megacab dually, but were wondering if we should buy a 1999-2000 Suburban or go with a white van. My query is based on different information read on the Internet about pickup trucks and SUVs being targeted by the criminal element for robberies, kidnapping, etc. What is your take on all of this? I value your opinions because of your scientific approach to things and know that you base them on research of facts, plus your years of personal experience in the Yucatan.
Many thanks in advance
PS: If I could figure out a way to email you from this site, I would do that instead of posting something that is a little off topic.
I am in baja California Sur, Mexico I want to buy a car here . I am an American with only tourist status. the car I want to buy has Oregon license plates that expire in 1 Month. what can I do to legally drive the vehicle in Mexico??
Hi Jay,
Sorry to say, since the Oregon plated vehicle is registered under the other person’s FMM, FM2 or FM3, then the rules say that the vehicle has to be taken out of the country by the owner or a member of the owner’s family, where they turn in the sticker on their car to the Mexican border authorities. You can also leave Mexico at the same time, turning in your old FMM to the Mexican INM authorities at the border. You can then return to Mexico by getting a new FMM , and at the same time you can bring the vehicle back in with you under your new FMM and get a sticker specifically attached to your new FMM.
Realize that you can choose to ignore these rules, and buy and drive the oregon plated vehicle under the other person’s FMM, but the Mexican authorities (as in the police) are allowed to confiscate the vehicle permanently any time you or others are driving it. Since the US vehicle’s approval to stay in Mexico is tied solely and directly to the other person’s FMM, then the permission to have the vehicle inside Mexico is cancelled when they leave Mexico and their old FMM is cancelled. If the current owner has an FM3, then the approval for the car lasts only as long as their FM3 is valid, and they are allowed only one vehicle per FM3, so they cannot bring in any vehicles in the future, until the problem with the old Oregon plated vehicle is resolved. I explain these convolved stories, because it just does not seem worth trying to slide by the law, and the history of enforcement has supported the sequelae I described above.
Can you please write us with an update of what happens in the future with your dilemma?
Hope these explanations helped,
steve
I realize this post is old, but…You missed an important point. The question came from a guy in Baja. Baja does not require a TIP. So, yes, he is free to buy the car. BUT Baja also requires that license plates be current, so in one month the car would be illegal in Baja.
Rolly,
Excellent points.
steve
i’ve heard that certain types of FM2 visas allow you to temporarily import your car and certain types do not… is this true or just a rumor?
great site!!
amy
Hi Amy,
You can keep your imported car that is still licensed outside of Mexico if you have an FM2 that does not permit you to work in Mexico – e.g. retirees are allowed to keep their non-Mexican plated car, but people on FM2′s that include permission to work are not allowed to keep a non-nationalized vehicle.
steve
update: i have a FAMILIAR FM2 (my husband is mexican) and they did not allow my car to be temporarily imported with this status (even though this status does not allow me to work in Mexico.) the only FM2 that you can have and receive permission for you car is the RENTISTA FM2.
Great Update! Thanks!!!
thanks, steve!!
Excellent write up.
Question. Does Mexican law or regulation state that the driver of a car with a valid temporary import permit must in addition to all the other requirements have a valid non-Mexican drivers license?
I ask this because a broker for Mexican car insurance told me that the Federales were confiscating cars in violation of this purported law.
Hi Robert,
Yes, Mexican law does require that foreigners driving in Mexico have a valid driver’s license from another country. I could not find the precise section of Mexican law describing the requirements, but the US State Department’s website on Mexico confirms that the Mexico accepts valid US driver’s licenses: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_970.html .
I suspect that you may be asking about the law, because your license is expired back in your home country. Under the letter of the law, an expired license is not a valid license => it is not legal to drive here with an invalid license. In practice, do the Mexican police accept expired driver’s licenses? I know of instances where they have accepted them, but likely it was because
a. they either couldn’t read English or
b. they didn’t want the paperwork hassles that would result from detaining the offending driver and their car.
Is it worth gambling that a driver will never meet a police officer who both reads English and chooses to enforce the law? lo no se.
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the fantastic website info. Is it possible to ditch/sell/give away a car in Mexico without having problems with the authorities? The car is seriously ill and it would be better to get rid of it and continue travelling with public transport but we don’t want problems exiting the country. if it can make it to the border, could we get rid of it in Belize or Guatemala if we can’t do it in Mexico?
Hi Annie,
Yes, some people do ditch/sell/give away their old foreign plated cars in Mexico (locally called “chocolates” ), but the best way is to take the car to an approved border crossing, stop and have the Mex. border officials remove the sticker from the windshield. Why? Because in the vehicle entry forms you signed, you promised to take the car back outside of Mexico, and there are no legal options for selling your foreign plated/registered car within Mexico.
If you drive out of Mexico, there are dealers in Belize (across the border from Chetumal) that buy foreigner’s cars. There is one potential option to legally leave the car in Mexico: have a mechanic document and certify in writing that the car is ruined and undrivable – if it has been wrecked, provide pictures of damage, then take fotos of the sticker on the windshield – carefully remove the sticker – and return to the border with the letter, the sticker, and with all registration papers. There is no guarantee that the Mex. Gob. will accept your claim, and their approval process can be slow, but doing this may allow you to bring another car into Mexico in the future. Best of Luck!
Thanks Steve – you’re a gem!!
Can you tell me what documents I need in order to put Mexican plates on my 2006 Subaru? Also, is there a table or chart online where I might be able to get an idea of how much I’ll have to pay in import taxes on it since it is not 10 years old? (I have an FM2.) I’ve had the car in Mexico since 2006 but I’m tired of getting pulled over all the time due to the US plates. I’m trying to figure out if it’s worth the hassle and the import fees to put Mexican plates on it. Thanks very much for your help.
Hi Gail,
I understand that IVA taxes are likely owed on the vehicle. IVA tax rates vary around Mexico, but 16% might be a good first estimate.
Hello Steve, thanks for the great info. Regretably I didn’t know some of these odd regulations.
I entered Mexico with my truck and trailer in Sep 2010, all documented etc.
I flew back home with my family in Nov 2010 for an anniversary.
Returned Nov 2010 with a new 180 day visa. According to your notes the vehicle permit is auto extended.
I expecting to leave May 2011. Sounds like they’ll impound(?) the truck and trailer because the docs do not match now? It would have been reasonable to leave with the vehicle in Nov becasue I drove down from Canada.
If this is true, then an FM2 might be in order so that everything is re-registered ?
Thanks in advance for any info you may share.
Angelo A
Updated 6/26/2011
Hi angelo,
I do not think that it is guaranteed that Aduana will impound the vehicle(s). If your car becomes illegal due to visa changes, visa’s expiring, or whatever reason, you can apply for a free temporary permit that gives you 3-5 days to remove the vehicle from Mexico. Check out Aduanas website for instructions on how to apply: “Safely Returning Autos”“ Frommers also reports that Aduana has the option of assessing up to a $250 USD fine for every 15 days that you are late when leaving Mexico with a car that was registered using a 180 day FMM (formerly called FMT). This might be a good time tomake an application for a 3-5 day safe transit permit, or talk with a good attorney, or contact Aduana at Nuevo Laredo to explore your options: (867) 712-2071? Much Luck!
Steve,
Thank for all your helpful advice! I’m going to have to bite the bullet and take my illegal car out of Mexico. I’ll just find a good used car when I get back and use it until I leave. My question is that when I was at the aduana in DF (and I found out that my FM3 didn’t permit me to have a car here) I got the impression that when I applied for a safe transfer permit that it was not an immediate issue of that permit. It might take some days and I also got the impression that the government sets the time of leaving. Any advice on how to proceed so that I can pick my own date to do a border run?
Thanks Again
John
(resubmitted to correct spelling and clarity )
Hello Steve, thanks for the great info. Regretably I didn’t know some of these odd regulations.
I entered Mexico with my truck and trailer in Sep 2010, all documented etc.
I flew back home with my family in Nov 2010 for an anniversary.
Returned Nov 2010 with a new 180 day visa. According to your notes the vehicle permit is auto extended.
I’m expecting to leave May 2011. Sounds like they’ll impound(?) the truck and trailer because the docs do not match now? It would not have been reasonable to leave with the vehicle in Nov because I drove down from Canada.
If this is true, then an FM2 might be in order so that everything is re-registered ?
Thanks in advance for any info you may share.
Angelo A
Hey Steve,
I loved the article, but I have a question about what would be best for my wife and I. We are planning on moving to Mexico in Sept. for at least 5 years. We are looking at buying a new car right now, as ours is old and has too many miles to sustain another 5 years. I was reading about how there is some 10 year rule to bringing in cars. We’ll be down in Manzanillo, and I don’t really want to have to drive back up every year to re-register our car. Could you explain the rules a little better to help me make the best choice as to what year/type of vehicle we buy?
Hi Jammie,
Personally, I would plan to buy a good used car in Mexico, with Mexican registration & plate/register it here. Used Nissans have very good reputations. Just be sure to get the original copy of the registration of when the car was sold by the dealer. This is often a sticker glued into the inside page of the owner’s manual. This original documentation acts as a title and proves that the vehicle was not stolen.
If you bring the vehicle in on an FMM, then the vehicle must go back to the border every time you renew your FMM. You could alternately: bring it in under an FM3 or Rentista FM2 (no work allowed under this FM2 visa), or bring it in and nationalize (tramite) it, or buy a good used vehicle here.
If you want to bring down a car on a FM3, FMM, or Rentista FM2, and drive on your US plates, then:
– Most US warrantees are not honored here in Mexico.
- Some US States require continuous insurance, which means paying for insurance simultaneously both in the US and in Mexico.
– If you bring the vehicle into Mexico under an FMM, then the vehicle is supposed to leave when you do, because the FMM is cancelled/closed-out when you leave.
– There can be problems getting repairs here. While some US models appear the same as those sold in Mexico, many have different parts. e.g. Between at least 1996 and 2004: Mexican Nissan & US Sentras look exactly the same but they have different brake calipers, different starters, different clutches, and different alternators… (though we have been able to figure work-arounds on each of these issues).
- If you believe that must buy a vehicle in the US, we suggest that you buy a brand and model that is also sold in the US in case it needs a repair: like Fords… ? But realize that even some Fords in Mexico use different parts: Rangers here are made in Argentina = not as well made as US/Canadian manufactured vehicles – they have different manual transmissions – etc.
– If you bring the car in on an FM3 or FM2, then there are strict rules about who is allowed to drive the car, the approval is only valid as long as the FM3 or FM2 is valid, and people with inmigrado status cannot keep a foreign plated car, so, if you plan to stay here long term, problems often arise with foreign plated vehicles that do not occur with vehicles purchased in Mexico.
If you want to nationalize (register and plate) a personal vehicle brought in from outside Mexico:
– It must be a NAFTA car (made in the USA, Mexico, or Canada) – check the VIN against NAFTA lists. (If the first character of the VIN is a number, then it should be a NAFTA car, & the 3′rd digit has “1″ for USA, “6″ for Canada.)
- We understand that you cannot import personal vehicles more than 10 years old, and dual wheeled or dual axle pickups are also not allowed.
– We understand that vehicles younger than 10 years old can be imported, but you will have to pay stiff import taxes ( e.g. IVA can be 16% or higher – Value Added Tax).
We imported and nationalized a 10 yr old Ford Ranger and a Nissan Sentra, and have been happy with both vehicles, but I am a mechanic, and I enjoy doing custom work-arounds when problems arise.
Hope this a good start,
steve
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Dear Steve,
I just learned about the FM2 requirement that I leave with my car. I got my FM2 in March 2011 and previously had FM3 status for five years and assumed the FM2 status gave me the right to have my car. My FM2 is cargo de confianza, so I am working. Do you know how much time I have to get to the border? I live in Leon, Guanajuato. I really do not want to drive to the border right now under the circumstances with all the robberies and kidnapping happening in the north. Any suggestions? Thanks. John
Updated 6/26/2011
Hi John,
I understand that your only legal option is to take the car to an official border crossing. If your car becomes illegal due to visa changes, visa’s expiring, or whatever reason, you can apply for a free temporary permit that gives you 3-5 days to remove the vehicle from Mexico. Check out Aduanas website for instructions on how to apply: “Safely Returning Autos”“ At the border you can have Aduana remove your current sticker that is associated with your old FM3. as you leave, and forfeit any deposit you made when you imported the car. You could then bring the car back into Mexico and nationalize the vehicle, paying fairly steep taxes to bring it in (unless it qualifies under the 10 yr old & “NAFTA made” rules). Or sell it in the border town, return to Mexico, and buy a local car.
How long do you have? Unfortunately, the vehicle’s permit is already expired, any deposit you paid is forfeit, and it is not legal to drive the car within Mexico, unless you get the 3-5 day removal permit described above. If you are driving without the special permit and get stopped by the police, they have the right to permanently confiscate your car at any time. The strict interpretation of the law formally says that only Aduana officials can confiscate it, but the reality is that various Policia Federale and Estatal ignore this technicality and routinely confiscate illegal expat cars across Mexico.
Statistics and probability would predict that the more you drive the car, the more likely you are to get caught and have the car confiscated on-the-spot, so, logic would say to drive the car only as much as is required to get to the border or have it towed, if you do not want to risk confiscation. Some past experience says that some ex-pats illegally drive their vehicles for months without getting stopped.
I guess it all depends on how lucky you feel. For me, it would be better to sell the car at a loss across the border in the US, rather than driving for extended periods & risking having it confiscated.
Best Wishes for GOOD LUCK on this!
steve
Dear Steve,
Thanks for some great information. I would like to present a scenario to make sure that I understand all of the process.
I enter Mexico with my car (2006 Hyundai-appprox deposit approximately $200)using FMM status and within 30 days apply for change on website to fm2 (rentista).
Upon several visits to INM paying fees, etc. and my being granted fm2 rentista status by INM, notify aduana by letter of status change.
Renew fm2 annually and if I leave the country temporarily, return to Banjercito office to have them log removal into system, and receive a return certificate to re-enter.
As long as these requirements are met my car an I can remain in Mexico assuming my license and registration in US are in order.
Even though my wife holds dual citizenship I chose this route because of the car limitations on a spousal approach.
Did I miss anything??
Your reply would be appreciated.
Bill
Hi Bill,
Under the old Immigration law, your plan works fine, using an FM2-Rentista (proving sufficient monthly income), not FM2-Familiar. Under the new Immigration law (in force since May 25, 2011), there’s a bump in your road, Article 53:
“Article 53. Visitors, except those for humanitarian reasons and those who have (family) links with Mexican or regular resident alien in Mexico, can
not
change status of residence and will have to leave the country at the end of the period of stay authorized.
““Surviving Yucatan: New Immigration Law Published for Mexico – The Article”
This clause is not currently being applied yet, but INM can choose to implement it at any time, which means typical Visitor/Tourists to Mexico cannot change residency status without leaving Mexico when INM starts implementing the new law. On a related note: the new/current immigration law requires INM to write El Reglamento for the current law before Nov. 25, 2011, which should mean that INM will start implementing the new law at any time before Nov. 26, 2011.
Here’s where the fun comes in for you: If you enter Mexico and file for your FM2 before INM implements this clause, it’s all good! If you enter Mexico after INM implements this clause, then INM might say you have to prove your marriage to your esposa Mexicana to allow you to change from the new Visitante visa over to Residente Temporal or Residente Permanente without leaving Mexico first. Did you have a Civil ceremony here in Mexico, or have you registered your US marriage with your local Mexican Registro Civil?
If you do not have your marriage registered officially with the Mex. Gob., INM could force you to leave Mexico, making a trip to the border with the vehicle, to change residency status under the new immigration law, and then re-enter to make your new Residente Temporal or Residente Permanente visa application.
Clear as mud?
steve
Steve,
I have an FM3 and left Mexico in May 2011 without getting the sticker removed. I thought there was an adjuana office right next to the border but there was not. Prior years you could just drive throught this little area at the Nogalas border to turn in the sticker. I am returning in September and still have the permit on my windshield and a current FM3. I am planning to stop at the vehicle permit building and straighten this out but I am real nervous about coming into Mexico since I left without turning in the sticker. Any advice?
Thomas,
In theory, you were supposed to check in with a Banjercito office before you left Mexico to get a permit letter to leave and re-enter. Many ex-pats report on web-forums that they have come and gone from Mexico for years, crossing out and re-entering to Mexico with no problems using vehicles w/stickers w/o stopping to “check-out”. (I can’t promise anything, but simply report others’ stories). Problems certainly occur if you sell the car or wreck the car with a sticker while you are in the USA, because the sticker is associated in Aduana / Banjercito’s computers with your FM3. The problems also arise if you attempt to bring a different car into Mexico before you have Aduana scrape the old sticker off your car’s windshield. Don’t sell the car and don’t wreck the the car, and the next time you leave Mexico, either get a permit letter from Banjercito at the border or have Aduana remove the sticker.
Please give us a shout and tell us how it worked out,
steve
We purchased a 10-year import sticker for our motorhome expiring in 2015. Do we need any other papers/document/sticker to re-enter Mexico this coming winter?
For three winters, from 2006 to 2009, we drove a BC registered Suzuki Sidekick in and around the Puerto Vallarta area. The car was bought from a Canadian who owns a home in PV. Police stopped us a couple of times for various reasons. At one time the officer pointed out that our car was in Mexico illegally and fined us 500 pesos. After a bit of negotiating he let us go after paying 150 pesos (after all it was close to X-mas and I wished him and his family “Feliz Navidad!”). Our encounters with Federales over the years was usually very courteous, polite and somewhat amusing. Now, I always suspected our Suzuki was in Mexico illegally and it could have been easily confiscated. However, police isn’t in the business to to that but rather want to collect the infamous morbida. Some knowledge of Spanish, a good sense of self-deprecating humour and a radiant smile will get one through most run-ins with Mexican Federales. I’m proud to say that we never payed any fine that wasn’t appropriate. In other words, if you don’t screw up, don’t pay!
We now RV in southern Florida but I really miss Mexico and wouldn’t hesitate to return to this beautiful, exciting country despite all the negative news. As long as we stay away from border towns, or get passed them as quickly a spossible and never drive after dark, heck, it’s safer there than in many of our own big cities! Hasta la proxima, amigos!
Bert
Here are our understandings: The temporary import rules for vehicles are tied to the ongoing “visa” status of the person who registered for the temporary import permit on the RV. If that person has maintained their Inmigrante/FM2, or No Inmigrante/FM3 status, and that Immigration status is still current, then the 10 year vehicle permit remains valid (because the Aduana’s rule linking ongoing Immigration approval to ongoing temporary vehicle permit approval uses the term “vehicle” in describing the requirements).
In theory, you needed to stop at a border crossing Banjercito vehicle registration office to register the RV’s departure and get a departure-re-entry letter: see “Exiting From and Returning To Mexico for Temporary Permit Vehicles”. “El retorno de los vehículos internados temporalmente – Retorno Parcial“.
If you did not stop and register the departure of the RV when you left Mexico, then Aduana could (in theory) deny your re-entry into Mexico under your current 10 yr permit. Reports from around the internet describe how most drivers return into Mexico with their vehicles successfully, without previously registering their departure, but there are also a few reports of people who are required to pay fines, and get a new permit (added $$$) when they attempt to re-enter.
Did you register the RV’s departure at a Banjecito office and get the Retorno Parcial permit letter when you left Mexico?
Is the temporary import permit holder’s FM2 or FM3 still valid?
steve
I’m hoping this is the right place to ask a new question. I brought my car across the border on my FM3 in Aug. 2005 and subsequently it was totaled July 2006 in Michoacan. I was hospitalized for a week and thus unable to turn in my import sticker to Aduana in the required 5 days after the accident. Two months later I flew to Houston, bought a new car and drove to Laredo. At the Aduana office there I presented the police report of the accident, the insurance adjusters report with photos of the smashed car including the sticker, license plate and VIN and letter from the insurance company that showed they had paid me for the car. And I had my sticker, still adhered to chunks of windshield along with title, registration, paperwork from original sticker, FM3 and passport. The Aduana officer would not accept my proof that the car was totaled and undrivable–he said he wanted to see the vehicle and it’s condition. I told him it was not drivable and was in a junk yard in Zamora, Michoacan. And that I had another vehicle with me to import. He said I would have to go to Aduana in Morelia (the capitol of Michoacan) to turn in my paperwork and get a sticker for my new car. At km 21 the officer noticed I didn’t have an import sticker. I told him what Aduana had told me about going to Morelia for the new sticker and he said, “OK” and waved me through.
I later went with the same paperwork as at the border to Aduana in Guadalajara. I talked to 5 people in different offices, none of which could help me. I was finally told to hire an attorney. I did that and gave him all my original paperwork and sticker which he took to Mexico City. It has now been 5 years and I still have an illegally imported car (which I drive only locally) and no idea how long this process will continue. A year ago, through my attorney, Aduana wanted to know why I didn’t turn in my sticker within the required 5 days. I had my attorney send them a copy of my surgeon’s notes including my admission and discharge dates from the hospital. And I’ve heard nothing since. Is this case hopeless or can I expect some action from Aduana in the near? future?
Thanks so much for any help or advice–Pat
Hi patty,
You have checked all the boxes, submitted all the forms, supplied the correct information, followed the rules, hired an attorney to take actions, and did it in the most timely fashion possible, and the system still did not work. I know of one other woman who jumped through similar hurdles 2 years ago on a similar problem of being unable to produce the Aduana vehicle sticker, and she had a former Mexican Supreme Court justice throw his weight onto her similarly-knotted vehicle-permit-stuck-in-Mexico-City loop. At last word, her vehicle permit was still in limbo.
If you are worried about the possibility of your current car being confiscated, and want to drive legally, worry-free: you could buy a local car and take your old car outside of Mexico to sell. There are 3-5 day temporary permits issued free, for the sole purpose of legally shuttling illegal vehicles out of Mexico. See:“Safely Returning Autos”“
steve
I previously posted a query about importing my 2006 Subaru and paying whatever the import duties might be since I was tired of being pulled over in Mexico for driving a car with US plates. Since then I have talked to an import attorney in Morelia and he emphatically told me that Japanese made cars are not prohibited from being imported into Mexico, period, no matter what model year they are. I have since sold the car in the US and will be buying a Mexican plated car. I have no way of knowing if this rule is in fact true, but I was tired of the whole scenario of repeatedly being pulled over for having US plates. Not worth it.
I apologize for the error in my above post. It should read: “He emphatically told me that Japanese made cars ARE prohibited from being imported into Mexico, period, no matter what model year they are.”
Hello and Thanks for all the information you have supplied.
I have a problem right now that me and my grandma were in chihuahua mex and i had to leave back to the us and left her in mexico. And on my return back into the interior of mexico they confiscated the vehicle with the claim that i as a grandson to the importer(my grandma) was not an authorized driver and therefore that cualified the vehicle as being in a ilegal state.
we both have our fm2 forms and they ares still curent.
They are not wanting to give the vehicle back even though me and my gradma went to pick it up
the did a lot of paper work when they took the vehicle and now they say we have to give them any proof we think will help the situation within 10 bussiness days and then they have about 4 months to respond with their acction in the case.
I Know that in the articolo 106 it says that a decendant of the importer is an authorized driver, however the officials say that this is only in reference to a son or as they call it a direct descendant.
I don’t know what i should turn in for proof to help me get my grandma’s vehicl back.
If there is anything you could do to help me it would be very apreciated. thanks
Jonathan,
I think your problem has become serious enough that you need to hire a professional to solve your problem.
As your grandmother’s descendant, you were legally allowed to drive her temporarily imported car around inside Mexico, but you were NOT allowed to drive it out of Mexico across the border, and you are not allowed to drive it back across the border back into Mexico.
Only the car’s temporary permit holder is allowed to drive it out and back. You also needed to get a letter from a border-crossing Banjercito office when you left Mexico with the vehicle: There is a “Partial Return” program. From Aduana’s website: “Banjercito records exit and return information in their system, and delivers a partial return receipt to the importer, so you can make multiple entries and exits during the term of the permit.” “Exiting From and Returning To Mexico for Temporary Permit Vehicles”
Your case is unusual, and I believe you need to talk with Aduana and get a written list of exactly what documents and information you need to give them to recover your car,
AND contact a professional experienced in these matters (a Customs Broker or Lawyer) for help.
Best of Luck,
steve
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Thank you for the great information! I have a problem, not yet mentioned. My 1997 vehicle, which resides in Mexico under my FM3, is defunct. It will not start and no amount of trouble shooting either by the dealership, my local mechanic, or website auto problem solvers can fix it!
I can’t drive it to the border to have its sticker removed. It would seem that the best thing I can do is to sell it for parts, but I can’t do this until its removed from my “file”. Can I nationalize it without going to the border? Help!
Tony,
This goes beyond our expertise. You can donate the car to the Mexican Gob., and free up your FM3 to allow you to bring in another Temporary Import. Contact your Aduana office for instructions on how they currently do this.
steve
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Steve, thanks for the quick reply. wish there was another way. Tony
Steve,
My husband and I entered Mexico on an FMT and driving our truck in October 2009. Our intent was to stay for 6 months but we decided to make it permanent. We obtained our FM3′s at the beginning of March 2010. We paid for the assistance of a local trusted individual, who was previously employed as a federal policeman. We renewed our FM3′s again in 2011, again using the same indivudual to assist us. From what we understood, our vehicle remained legal as long as our status remained legal. From what I am reading now, our vehicle is actually illegal as we did not notify Aduana of the change in status and to extend the vehicle permit. Is this correct? If we can prove continuity in our status to Aduana do we still have to return to the border to correct the situation? Thanks for your information.
Lisa,
The Aduana rules say that you should file the change of INM status in person, along with the documents listed in the article above (edited to add the list). I would go to your Aduana’s office with the required letter and documents, and ask them if anything else is needed.
steve
Hi Steve,
I have only two questions. First, where the heck do you find all the time. I know that you stay indoors during the hot part of the days because of limited use of AC’s . . . . . . . . . . but my goodness man where do you find all the time? (smiling)
Second and more serious question: I would like your take on the following. I came in with my 2008 Tahoe and 16 ft enclosed cargo trailer. I am on an FM 2 “Rentista”. I need to go back NOB with only my Tahoe (as I do not really wish to pay all the extra cash for both additional gas and the cuota fees for both Tahoe and trailer. I have to go back for my VA Medical appointments and should return within ten days. My Mexican Temp Import Sticker of course has both the tow vehicle and the trailer listed. What’s your take on this particular situation? I have been stopped once last month, driving without the trailer at a local federales checkpoint and asked where my trailer was. I explained it was at my house up the road (which went over well) as I didn’t wish to spend all the extra money, for driving a trailer around town when it was not necessary. That satisfied him and he let me go and nicely said have a nice day. Do you think that I could do the same thing and drive across the border without checking in, and ten days or so later drive back without the trailer and not have a problem? Appreciate your feedback.
P.S. A great site you have here.
robt65
Hi Steve,
I have only two questions. First, where the heck do you find all the time. I know that you stay indoors during the hot part of the days because of limited use of AC’s . . . . . . . . . . but my goodness man where do you find all the time? (smiling)
Second and more serious question: I would like your take on the following. I came in with my 2008 Tahoe and 16 ft enclosed cargo trailer. I am on an FM 2 “Rentista”. I need to go back NOB with only my Tahoe (as I do not really wish to pay all the extra cash for both additional gas and the cuota fees for both Tahoe and trailer. I have to go back for my VA Medical appointments and should return within ten days. My Mexican Temp Import Sticker of course has both the tow vehicle and the trailer listed. What’s your take on this particular situation? I have been stopped once last month, driving without the trailer at a local federales checkpoint and asked where my trailer was. I explained it was at my house up the road (which went over well) as I didn’t wish to spend all the extra money, for driving a trailer around town when it was not necessary. That satisfied him and he let me go and nicely said have a nice day. Do you think that I could do the same thing and drive across the border without checking in, and ten days or so later drive back without the trailer and not have a problem? Appreciate your feedback.
P. S. Great site you have here.
robt65
Hi Robert,
The drive-out / drive-back-in dilemma is really common. Hundreds of expats report driving out of Mexico without stopping at the border Banjercita office to get their multiple re-entry and exit permit. A few expats w/vehicles under Temporary Permits later write back to say that their vehicles are not allowed back into Mexico, ever. Of those who write about NOT being allowed to re-enter with the vehicle, a few report 1-2 years of filing documents with Aduana in failed attempts to get the mess un-knotted.
The negative consequences if Aduana/Banjercito catches the violation:
The owner is never allowed to have another foreign-plated vehicle back in Mexico under their visa,
– they have to find a place to store or sell their car/Tahoe in the US,
– they have to find alternate transport to their Mexican home, and
– they have to buy a different car in Mexico.
Can you live with this set of consequences? Do you like to roll the dice.*
If not, then stop at the Banjercito office at your border crossing and get a multiple exit and re-entry permit (see web address in the article above for details). If you suspect that Banjercito may require that the trailer must go out with the vehicle, check with Aduana on their official policy before you travel.
steve
*Rolling the dice on having INM and Aduana catch ex-pats breaking the rules, had much much better odds in the past, when paper systems ruled these operations, but now in the era of computerized data-bases, I think we will be hearing of much more enforcement of these easily-tracked easily-detected violations.
Hi Steve,
Good response. I certainly was not looking for a way around the law, but just not knowing what is the correct procedure as , I have not been able to find such information one way or the other. but your . . . . . . “Rolling the dice on having INM and Aduana catch ex-pats breaking the rules, had much, much better odds in the past, when paper systems ruled these operations, but now in the era of computerized data-bases, I think we will be hearing of much more enforcement of these easily-tracked easily-detected violations.” . . . . . . . . is a good “heads up” and one that I readily agree with. I believe that while there doesn’t seem to be any direct information one way or the other, and since here in Mexico we all know that “the only thing for sure, is that nothing is for sure”, it is much wiser to error on the side of spending the extra dollars for additional tolls and gas. I also believe like you that Mexico is quickly learning how to “track and enforce”.
I think I am going to try going to Aduana in Queretaro and maybe asking them and also get, in writing, their response if I ca indeed leave my trailer at my home in Queretaro for a short medical trip NOB.
Robert
Hi Robert,
Can you give us a shout when you hear from Queretaro Aduana about their position on truck/trailer combination registrations and the Partial Return program?
Happy Trails!
steve
Hi Steve,
It appears that when we enter Mexico from Texas with our 2009 vehicle (under FMM rules) we will post a $400 deposit at the border. However, if the long awaited ferry service from Progreso to Tampa actually begins early in 2012, that would be our preference for departing Mexico. Is it your understanding that we would forfeit this deposit since we’re (legally) departing at a different crossing? If so, with all the computerization of the process, can you supply any possible rationale for this rule?
Thanks
Marty
Xcalak Q. Roo
Hi Marty,
We’re confused. Will you enter Mexico at 2 different locations, at 2 different times, leaving Mexico between the 2 entry dates?
Or are you saying that a deposit paid at a land port of entry (border crossing) can be refunded, and that deposits paid for entry at a sea port is not refundable?
steve
Sorry about the confusion! Neither! My understanding is that, if you want your deposit back, the new regs require you to exit Mexico at the same location you entered. It’s as if Banjercito is holding your deposit in an envelope (!) at the point of entry and so you need to get the refund at the same bank.
From:
http://pvnn.com/vallarta/news/25jun2011/import-drive-car-into-mexico.htm
“Specifics: Remember the Banjercito office you registered your car at when you entered? When you are leaving Mexico, you need to return to the corresponding BANJERCITO office at the border crossing where/when you are crossing back into the USA with the vehicle. ”
So, on our next annual trip, if we make the vehicle deposit at Allede (south of Eagle Pass, TX), for example, and then take the ferry from Progreso back to the U.S. (instead of driving back up and “checking out” through Allende), is there any way to get the $400 deposit back?
Marty
Hey Marty,
I just now saw your new posts.
I think there is a little confusion between the old paper or local computerized Aduana systems and Aduana’s newer national computer data base systems. The old system worked best when expats entered and departed through the same port-of-entry/border-crossing. We understand that the current system now allows Aduana to check your records at any of their locations, especially since ex-pats are going into their local Aduana offices to notify Aduana of changes in Immigration status. The changes are entered locally, but the data is then available at all the Aduana ports of entry across the country.
“….on our next annual trip, if we make the vehicle deposit at Allede (south of Eagle Pass, TX), for example, and then take the ferry from Progreso back to the U.S. (instead of driving back up and “checking out” through Allende), is there any way to get the $400 deposit back?
~~ The law says that you should get your deposit back, if your car is returned on time, with the sticker intact, and with all your documents, regardless of your “port of entry” departure point.
I would check with Aduana first, though, to confirm that their systems can do this smoothly. Please give us a shout when you actually use their new system(s).
Happy Trails,
steve
Another question: Years ago, when the ferry did operate from Tampa to Progreso (for one season?), was there a immigration office where you could get a tourist card and, more importantly, a vehicle permit (maybe it was passenger only?)? The first would be easy since Progreso is a port of entry but they probably weren’t (aren’t!) expecting to deal with vehicles!
M
I brought my 2008 Ford explorer sport trac titled and has US plates in to Mexico in January of 2011 under my existing FM3 non inmigante I recently married my wife who is Mexican and when my FM3 expired I got an FM2 inmigrante. I am retired and live off of my pension and I do not work we have a home here and I am now a resident in Mexico. I was told today 7/29/2011 that I could not keep my Ford legaly in Mexico under my new status because my Caracteristica says “Familiar”
Just does not make any sense..
Gunther,
That sure is a tough break, but that’s the law’s consequence of you choosing to apply as a dependent: – a foreigner who is financially dependent on your wife.
As it says in the article above: If you had applied for an FM2: No Inmigrante RENTISTA, you could have kept your vehicle. As a self-supporting independent Rentista (living off foreign investments and foreign savings/pensions), you are entitled to keep a foreign plated vehicle. As a – financially dependent – Family member, who does not have to meet any foreign pension/investment income requirements, you gave up the right to have a foreign plated vehicle.
By legally announcing your status as a Family member of a Mexican, you are also officially identifying stronger ties to Mexico, because Familiar is the path to citizenship: you can claim the right to apply for Citizenship after just 2 years (a significant benefit) = much closer ties to Mexico. As a Familiar person who can now fast-track their citizenship, you are formally giving up some foreign ties(?), like your car’s umbilical cord back to the USA.
Whoever advised you to change from Rentista to Familiar did not consider your desire to keep your car. You only needed to provide 3 months of bank statements or investment account statements showing sufficient $$$ to have kept your Rentista status & your car.
This is my way of saying that you made the choice that created you current status. The Mexican government does not force people to choose the less rigorous Familiar category.
I wish I had better news for you, but sometimes we have to live with the consequences of our decisions, and sometimes they are the consequences of less-than-thorough advice or less-than-thorough research.
It sure can be “no fun” to make a mistake like this. Was this a “Do-it-yourself” effort, or did someone advise you?
Are you planning a trip to the border to sell the Ford?
steve
I would like to keep the car if possible I’m going back to imigration on monday to see why they changed my status from Rentista to Familiar (the only thing I can think of is because I married a mexican) I think there was a miscommunication and I hope that it can be fixed. I am retired and recieve a check every month I also did all the paperwork myself and I remember telling them and giving them copies of my retirement deposits.
If I cannot change it I will have to make a trip to the border…..
Best of luck, Gunther!
Our local INM agents push expats married to Mexicans to get FM2 Familiar visas, since they see it as a fast-track to citizenship.
steve
My husband and I were asked by his mother (who is retiring In merida in september) to drive her car down to the yucatan. She is single and has health problems and can not be in a car for that long so she is going to fly. She has not finished paying her car off yet, but is current in the payments. Do you know if this will be a problem for us if shes not with us? Please let me know asap
rachael,
Your situation has multi-issues going on simultaneously. First, you would need a notarized letter from her car finance company authorizing the car to be taken to Mexico. Does she already have an FM3 Rentista or FM2 Rentista (rentier = or person living on pension income)? Are you moving to the Baja & Sonora zone where you can permanently import 8, 9, or 10 year old cars? Is the the car going to stay within the Border Zone, or within the special Baja/Sonora Free zone where it needs no permit?
Multiple other sites say that Aduana will allow you to bring a spouse’s or immediate family member’s car into Mexico, without having the visa holder/car owner present at importation. You would need a notarized letter from your mother authorizing your plan, plus an official (apostilled?) copy of her birth certificate, and some sites recommend including a notarized copy of her passport with your application. You also need a current registration, and the car’s title. AND 2 COPIES OF EVERYTHING you will be submitting.
The next hurdle is what visa you use to import the car: Do you have an FM3 Rentista or FM2 Rentista (where you would you register her vehicle’s Temporary Importation under your your visa)? I am not sure how Aduana handles changing the cars permit ‘from your visa to her visa, later.
You might consider posting your question on Mexconnect, to find out other expats experiences on how to transfer the car’s Temporary Import permit from your visa to hers (at her local Aduana office) when she arrives , or would you plan to keep a current FM2 Rentista or FM3 Rentista? This all is also REALLY UP IN THE AIR until INM issues the NEW regulations on visas and imported car permits. We are currently operating under the old statute, but INM will issue COMPLETELY NEW rules on visas between now and December 2011. The old FM2/FM3/Inmigrado categories completely go away after the New Regulations are issued, and NO ONE KNOWS how INM and Aduana will handle CAR PERMITS and the NEW “Residente Temporal” and “Permanente Temporal” categories…
See: See Full Article at: “New Immigration Law Published for Mexico – The Article”
Since your mom will likely be a rentier/”Rentista “, living off pension/savings income, she would seem to qualify for the NEW Permanent Resident category (maybe not available until Dec. 2011), which means she would file for Permanent Residency once, get approved, and never have to file or pay again vs. the annual $250 – $300 (or more) per year residency renewal dance. It seems likely that the new “Permanente Temporal” category will not allow expats to keep Temporarily Imported vehicles (just as the current Inmigrante/permanent resident category does NOT allow foreign-plated cars).
I don’t like speculation, but I’d hate for you to go through all the hassles to bring in your mom’s car, just to find that you have to take it back out of Mexico after 6 monthst of an FMM/Visitante visa, due to changes in the upcoming New Immigration Regulations, because she wants/needs to apply for the New Permanent Residency visa.
Your mom could instead buy a used car here under an FMM, and avoid all the hassles and uncertainty.
Could you instead plan to to buy a modestly priced car here for her? As long as you make sure that the car has it’s legal permits from the original vehicle sale (Mexican version of a title that proves where it was originally purchased) to avoid buying a stolen car, there are lots of very good used cars here. In particular, Nissans are rugged, get good gas mileage, are relatively easy/cheap to have repaired, have easy easy access to lots of very inexpensive aftermarket parts if they break, and almost all mechanics work on Nissans here, and they are NAFTA cars.
steve
Oh Boy…..
I think I’m in big trouble. I entered Mexico exactly 180 days ago through Laredo. I entered on an FMM visa. I then got a visa “No Inmigrante” about 3 months ago. I did not do anything…..and I was looking through my papers thia afternoon and realized that my temporsyrimportation permit expires today……what alternatives do I have no that I’ve passed this expiration date?
Thanks!
John,
In theory your car’s temporary permit’s expiration date changed to the expiration date of your No Inmigrante visa. Reports from around the web report no problems for expats who go to their Aduana office with their letter explaining their new visas status and with their supporting documents, even when they are beyond the 15 day grace period for reporting the visa change/renewal.
steve
I have a specific question when only holding an FMM/FMT. My family and I have been living in Playa Del Carmen for 6 weeks and have already purchased a vehicle here with mexican plates. Can we register this vehicle in our name on our Tourist visas and how does that work since we have to leave the country in 180 days and return to renew our FMM? Also we are looking for another vehicle and I don’t know if it is better to purchase a foreign vehicle, with american plates and fight with the import sticker every time we leave the country, which will be by plane or just stick to Mexican cars. Thanks for your help with my question.
Eric,
Your options depend on whether you intend to follow Mexican law, and upon whether you are willing to risk having the car permanently confiscated if you are caught.
You can legally buy a Mexican car in Mexico, but you can only register it if you are a resident (FM3, FM2, Inmigrado, or naturalized citizen). We advise: Get your residency, (costs about $275 USD), and then register the car and operate it legally.
If you choose to drive a car registered to someone else (a Mexican), then you are gambling that they will continue to pay the annual tenencias (yearly taxes), and that they pay the annual registration and licensing costs, and hopefully they pay for insurance too. They also have to be willing to certify that they allow you to drive the car, if the police question your arrangement.
Since most of us cannot be assured that a different person will pay all the bills and fees on time, then you risk having the car confiscated. As Mexican States increase their requirements for licensing and insurance (e.g. in Yucatan in a few months, you will need to have all three current annual approval stickers/holograms posted in your back window), your chances of having the car confiscated increase over time.
Purchasing a foreign plated vehicle in Mexico is strictly forbidden, and you again risk having the vehicle permanently confiscated on the spot if the authorities catch you.
If you get an FM3 or the new Residente Temporal permit to stay in Mexico, then you can register and drive the Mexican vehicle legally, and if you want to also buy the other foreign plated vehicle – make a trip to Belize/Chetumal, and bring the foreign vehicle back into Mexico, registered with a Temporary Import permit in your name, on your FM3.
We advise: Get your residency, (costs about $275 USD), and then register the car and operate it legally.
steve
Oh wow, I have wrong information. I thought as long as I had a valid visa, whether it be for residency or just for tourism I could buy and own a car in Mexico. I had read before that just as long as I didn’t try to leave the country with the car I could own/register a Mexican plated vehicle with an FMT/FMM. Please advise if this is not correct. Also I thought the same applied with an American plated vehicle, just as long as I have a valid Visa I can import the vehicle throught the border, whether that be the US/Mexico border or the Belize/Mexico border. I have read if the vehicle(American Plated) is foreign you can cross over into Belize and transfer the title there and then you can reenter Mexico and claim your new vehicle as your own on whatever visa you possess including an FMT/FMM. Please advise on this as well. Obviously it will take time to get an FM3/FM2 and I will need a vehicle until then, just want to make sure I take the best route until I can obtain an FM3. Thanks again for helping me through this.
Eric,
The general rule across Mexico is that FMM/Visitor permit holders cannot register Mexican vehicles. Since Quintana Roo (like Sonora and Baja California) have some special rules and exemptions that offer extra leeway to tourists etc, maybe Q. Roo allows Visitor visa holders to register a car? Other states prohibit it. State officials in Mexico are given latitude in application of the law, and Quintana Roo is a special zone in several ways, so, again, maybe Q. Roo has a way for Visitors/FMM tourists to register a vehicle? I think it is time to get definitive information on how Q.Roo handles FMMs and car registration. Please give us a shout when you find out the actual rules for Q. Roo from their version of the DMV.
steve
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I brought my US plated 2008 Ford across the boarder last year under my FM3 I now have a FM2 Rentista do I need to do any changes or inform the local Aduana office?
Gunther,
Yes, the rule says to notify Aduana in person within 15 days of INM visa changes or renewals: bring your letter requesting the change and your documents. Since Aduana data bases are not linked to INM data bases, by filing with Aduana, then you can keep the correct expiration date of your car permit current in Aduana’s computers – but only by notifying Aduana of your new INM visa expiration date.
steve
Hi Steve, my Step dad is an American Citizen but has an FM3 Visa to live in Mexico, He brought a 2007 Tahoe (Oregon Plates) to Puerto Vallarta wich is the city i live in, My dad got sick and moved back 2 the states again, he called me a few days ago and asked my to sell his car… by reading you article im sure that it cant be done.. on the other hand my dad cant drive all the way back to the states because of his medical condition… im not sure what 2 do??? i hope you can help out …
Cheers
Sorry for my spelling its been a while….
Giovanni,
Is there any chance you could drive the car to the border to be sold?
steve
Hi Steve,
Great site, I’ve gleaned a lot of very helpful info. I have a 1990 Chev S10 pickup that I am driving down from Canada to Mexico. I have an FM3 and a residence in Mexico. I want to permanently import this car into Mexico i.e. get Sinaloa tags for it. What is the process to accomplish this? Any help you provide would be greatly appreciate.
Thanks.
Hi Cheryl,
Since the vehicle is more than 10 years old, you cannot permanently import it. You may only bring it in under a Temporary Import permit. There are exceptions for classic cars, but yours does not qualify.
steve
I have a 1970 VW that I would like to bring into Mexico. It is old enough for “vehiculos classicos”, but is not a NAFTA vehicle. Is there someway it can be brought in? Currently, I’m under a no inmigrante visa, living in Mazatlan, and have a 1988 van with foreign plates that I brought in years ago. I’m doing the research for several of us with old cars, so any help, or enlightenment, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Bill
Hi Bill,
Good question. Your situation is unique, and I don’t know if there’s some exception that might apply or fees that could be paid. Do you have a visa/permit that would allow you to import it temporarily? (Inmigrante/FM2 or No Inmigrante/FM3) This sounds like a question for a lawyer familiar with Aduana’s rules on very old vehicles. Nothing we’ve read in the current Mexican laws allow it.
steve
Thanks for your reply. I may just haul it to the border with my RV, and see what happens. I can always drive the van out, turn in the permit, and reenter with the VW, as it then would count as an allowable auto under my No Inmigrante/FM3.
Thanks for the update.
steve
From my knowledge you are only allowed one vehicle to be brought in across the boarder with your FM
You are allowed to bring in both an RV and a towed vehicle in one person’s name. If you are under a 180 day visa, they both must leave Mexico before it expires. You can come back in on another 180 day, but your vehicle, or vehicles, cannot for another year. If you bring both in, and have a No Inmigrante, the old FM3, or the new FM2, or change to that status while in Mexico, you can leave one, or both , in Mexico when you exit, as long as your visa is valid. There are rumors that things may be changing next month, but nothing is known at this time.
Good points.
I have a working FM2. Can I permanantly import a 10 year old car? If so, just to be clear, I am currently visiting in the US. If I enter MX before Nov 1, 2011, what must the age of the car be?
Hi Jon,
Yes you are eligible to import one 10 year old vehicle. As I replied to Meir, Mexico Aduana defines model years as Nov 1 to Oct 31 – so, cars manufactured between Nov. 1, 2010 and Oct. 31 2011 are currently eligible for permanent importation (until Nov. 1, 2011 when the 2002 model years become eligible).
steve
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Thanks, but don’t you mean manufactured between Nov 1, 2001 and Oct 31 2001 are eligible. Also, I was under the impression that if I had a working FM2, I couldn’t drive a foreign plated car. Wouldn’t it be foreign plated until I had it legalized? or is it somehow automatically legalized when I cross into MX, maybe just a form to fill out at the border?
Hi Steve,
Thanks for all the great information on this site. I’m hoping you can answer this for me.
Last Friday (9/30), I re-entered Mexico by car via Nogales in order to get my FM3 renewal paperwork in before the expiration date (10/4/11). I was cutting it close but knew I could make it to the immigration office in Bucerias on Monday (10/3). After crossing the border (at km 21) I obtained a car importation permit for my Honda, which of course shows an expiration date of my FM3, which is 10/4/11). I was told that I would need to visit the Aduana office in vallarta as soon as I had the paper from immigration proving that my FM3 renewal was being processed.
On Monday (10/3) I went to the immigration office (in Bucerias) and submitted all of the renewal paperwork and should have my new FM3 card in 10 days or so. Right after I left the immigration, I went to the aduana window at the vallarta airport (where immigration told me to go) and showed them my FM3 renewal receipt, car importation papers, etc. After speaking with 5 different people, they told that I would likely need to visit a Banjercito office (closest one of which is in Guadalajara) to notify them in person of the renewal. This didn’t sound right to me, so they gave me the phone number to call for more information. That phone number is:
When calling the number, I was transferred 5 times before speaking with someone who told me that I needed to speak to the Aduana office in Mexico City for instructions, and gave me a phone number, which turns out to be invalid.
I’m now at a loss at what to do. In reading your notes, it appears I have 15 days to let the Aduana know that my FM3 has been renewed, however, no one at the aduana (vallarta airport) seems to know what to do with the information. I’m wondering if I should wait until I have the new card and then try going to them again, with a form letter like the one in your notes and see if that helps?
Any advice is much appreciated.
Christopher,
Do you have an Aduana office that is not at an airport. Our local airport Aduana personnel also do not know the auto importation regulations, and airport Aduana offices do not accept these updates. Here in Merida, we too have to go to a different Aduana office to register the new INM visa approvals. The Banjercito office people also are not versed in these laws, and their computer databases simply show that your Aduana permission has expired with the old INM visa expiration date. You have to go in person to an ADUANA office, that is NOT at an airport to register the change. You still have time before your 15 day grace period expires to go to Aduana to register the new INM visa expiration date – unless you have not received your new INM approval and new expiration date.
steve
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Thanks Steve,
I wondered about finding another aduana office here too but everyone I ask keeps pointing me to the airport. I’ll continue to look for one, thanks.
On a side note, I was a little unclear about whether or not I should be able to obtain a multiple re-entry/exit permit at a different border crossing than Nogales. I do intend on leaving and coming back in, but Nogales will be way out of the way from my planned route.
Thanks so much. Saludos, Christopher
Christopher,
All of the border crossing Aduana offices should offer the multiple re-entry/exit permits.
steve
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Greetings Steve,
I have lived in Tlaxcala for seven years. I have a 1993 Mitsubishi and my friend has a 1990 Toyota. My friend has one more year on his FM2 and I have two more. From what I am reading we will not be able to keep our vehicles when we advance on from our FM2. Is that correct? Also as my operators license will be expiring next month can I drive my U.S. licensed car with a Mexican drivers license? Many thanks, Bill
Only took me a year to find a up to date site that could give real info…I have sent your site onto other friends down here….Many thanks.
Hi William,
Are you convinced that you want to go on to a visa status that does not allow you to keep a car (e.g. Inmigrado or naturalized citizen) ?
Instead, you could go back to the “equivalent” to a No Inmigrante/FM3 Rentista for 5 more years. But that’s a hypothetical, assuming that the new upcoming Inmigrante Temporal has a Rentista subcategory that allow expats to keep their foreign plated cars. Said another way: Most experts are expecting the new INM Regulacion to have a category or subcategory that allows expats to keep their cars with Temporary Import permits. OR maybe the new INM categories will have a subcategory in Residente Permanente that allows expats to keep foreign plated cars. We are all waiting to see the new Regulations, that are supposed to be issued before November 26.
steve
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Dear Bill,
You have the best information out there. You need to write a book.
I studied in Mexico for 5 years in Durango and every six months I had to drive back to the border to renew my permit. I was so excited when I read that foreign cars can remain legally in Mexico without having to return to the border by advising Aduana when you get your visa extended.
My husband and I just got accepted to a 2-year school program in Leon.The school has advised us to enter as tourists and then change our status within 2 weeks of arriving.
We are driving down from Canada with a small trailer to haul our things.
My husband is Mexican and I am Canadian.
The car we’re driving back to Mexico in is a mexican car, 2007, Altima, but the trailer it will pull is Canadian.
Should I be the one temporarily importing the trailer? even though my husband’s mexican car is pulling it?
We have another Canadian car, a 1993 Taurus, that is already in Ciudad Juarez.
The car in Juarez(Taurus) is under my husband’s name. It is old and probably won’t be able to pull the trailer. Should I change the ownership of the car to my name?
Can we do a change in status from tourist to student and then advise Aduana annually to keep the car and trailer in Mexico for 2 years and then return them to the border?
Also, we will be taking dental equipment with us. How can we legally take it with us as we will be using this equipment for school?
We are leaving next month and I will be anxiously waiting for any information.
Thank you so much for all your advice.
Sincerely,
Paulette
Paulette,
Congratulations on being accepted by the program in Leon. You can certainly enter as tourists, and then apply for student status after you arrive. If you plan to keep the trailer in Mexico, then I would nationalize it, Either way, you could bring in the car and trailer together under a Temporary Import permit under your tourist visa. I would ask INM and Aduana when you enter if they are allowing students to use their Residente Temporal Estudiante visa to keep a Temporary Import permitted car in Mexico. The regulations for the new INM law are being written now, and none of us know what the categories will allow under the new rules (to be issued before Nov. 25?).
You are allowed to bring in personal items and $50 of non-personal items when driving or walking across the border. Some people choose to make printed spreadsheet lists of everything named in Spanish and listed with prices, and to submit those lists as declarations to Aduana for assessing a 15% duty. Some other people choose to drive across the border declaring nothing, and hoping to get a green light and not get stopped. Some people cross easily with their trailers, never being inspected. Others get inspected, and have to pull out every single item.
When we have crossed with trailers, Aduana has stopped us, looked at our lists, given us cursory inspections, and waved us through. There might be a “Paisano” program running when you enter Mexico, which means your husband can bring in many things duty-free under this program. Past “Paisano” programs have allowed up to $300 of goods to enter duty free. I wish I had a single answer to your questions, but your situation is a bit complex, and there is no way to know how Aduana will handle things for you and your jubbie,
Once you are here, with your Temporary Permit for the vehicle, yes, you can notify Aduana of your new visa status & new expiration date, to protect your $400 cash deposit with Banjercito/Aduana.
Safe Travels!
steve
Hello Steve, I would just like to run this past you for your take on the situation.
We brought in a 2001 vehicle in June of 2011. We were on FMT’s at the time. In September we obtained out FM3′s. We did not know the exact process on what we should do for the vehicle, so we went to see Aduana. There, they told us that no action was necessary. So, now I am concerned that seeing these letter and document examples on the site here, and them not wanting anything from us do not jive. What would you do? Do you think we should just take the letter and documents back to them and try to get them to take them? They were adamant that they needed nothing from us.
Also, the vehicle itself is a bit of a sticky situation. My Mom is living with us here. She is 90, has leg issues and needed a vehicle that allowed her a ramp to enter a vehicle, so instead of bringing our vehicle, she bought the 2001 van (only 40,000 miles) and used Wells Fargo to finance it. IT has only her name on the title. That cannot be changed until it is paid off. We were told by the authorities here that it was fine that my husband (son-in-law to my mom) was okay to drive it if she is in it or I am in it or he had the papers to connect him (marriage certificate) in the vehicle. IS this your understanding? And, my new concern is what will happen to the vehicle if my mom should pass away? And, if we were to pay this vehicle off, get one of our names on the title, how would that change the situation from the Aduana’s view point?
If we were to change the vehicle title to my husband and myself, would that be an issue ? Which makes me wonder, if two foreigners, say two Americans, decided to make some kind of vehicle deal while here, say one bought a car from another, could that happen legally? Just curious on that one. I am kind of assuming it would be a nightmare!
Thank you for any light you can shed on our issues. Lesley
Hi Lesley,
Does your mom have an FM3 Rentista ? If so, the rules say she is supposed to register any changes in INM visa status or renewals with Aduana, to preserve the deposit with Banjercito. – If she used a credit card to meet the “deposit” requirement, then it would seem to be ok. If you made a cash deposit, then it is good to get Aduana to register the change in visa status and the new (current) visa expiration date, so, Banjercito does not confiscate any cash deposit.
If the deposit was secured as a CC, then just make sure you have a current FM3 for mom when you leave the country, and have Aduana remove the sticker when you leave – registering Mom’s new visa status when/if you leave Mexico.
The most common situation with the police is that they might question if the driver is a family member (though this does not happen very often). I would keep a copy of Article 106 in Spanish in the car, along with a copy of her FM3 & passport, and copies of the driver(s)’ FM3′s & passports. A copy of your marriage certificate might help if the police got pushy. A copy of a letter (in Spanish) from your mother (with her FM3) stating that you and your husband (identifying both FM3′s and passport #’s) are her immediate family members and that she gives full permission for you and hubby to drive the vehicle (identify the vehicle and VIN and Temporary Import Permit number) in Mexico.
These are not absolute 100% guarantees, but will satisfy almost all police requests (unless the driver has been drinking?). You might also check with your insurance agent, that they are in agreement that you 2 are covered when driving her car – a few insurance companies do not automatically recognize/authorize sons-in-law or daughters-in-law as permitted drivers.
Your mom can sell you the vehicle, but then you are prohibited to drive it here, until you take it out of the country, return the sticker to Aduana/Banjercito, and then get a new title in your name, re-enter and pay the deposit and log the vehicle under the name & FM3 of the new owner (as listed on the new title).
Hope that covers your questions.
Give a shout if there’s more info needed,
steve
Hi Steve, Thanks for so much information, very helpful. I do have some confusion still though.
We brought the van in through Lina, right on the dock in Progreso. So, you would think all the T’s and I’s would be crossed and dotted, but I am finding flaws. I was not there, just my husband and Mom went to pick it up. But, as far as I can tell, there was no fee ever charged in cash or as a possible future fee to a debit or credit card. I asked my husband about this and he insist they did not. He does say they paid around $300 pesos at the Army Bank. I just ran this past him again and he says the same thing. Didn’t take a credit card either. So, I am at a loss as to what happened. He tried to give them the change for the visa and they told him, no, it is good. You need to do nothing. He is not enthused about going back again!
Mom has an FM3, we are all staying put here now. My glove box is stuffed with papers! I do have passport copies and a full compliment of other important documents (copies) including the Article 106 in Spanish and English. I do like the idea of a paper with my Mom’s permission, in Spanish, that is something I think would be very wise to have. Thank you!
Our insurance is in all three of our names, specifically noting each one on the policy. Mom never drives (thank the Lord!) and I rarely drive (probably for the best too!). So we are good there.
The last part on selling and vehicle ownership has some points that interest me. Now, if we paid off the vehicle, and added a name to the title, do you think that would change anything or make a difference to anyone. Just adding a name? We came in with just registration I believe, and permission from the financier, our state does not issue titles until the lien is removed.
And the last question I have is this, since the car is a 2001, and ten years old, would it be better to nationalize it or could we even with the lien on it? Is it expensive to nationalize a vehicle? I am sure it is time consuming, no doubt, everything is!
I guess I lied, and have one more question. I want to get this perfectly correct, now my husband has a US license, if he obtains a Mexican license, he is not allowed to drive the vehicle that is attached to my Mom’s FM3? Is that right or wrong? I won’t say it doesn’t make sense, because that is not germane. If he gets a Mexican license, he needs to have a Mexican plated vehicle? I have heard other claims that differ with this so I want to be clear.
Thanks so much for indulging me and going over things that are addressed, I am such a rock head sometimes on this stuff. It is difficult sometimes to process the way it works because it seems so foreign.
Thank you again!
Lesley
Hi Lesley,
All seems good.
The current pedimento and Temporary Import permit are in your mom’s name, so, even if you get the title issued under 2 names, you would still have to make a run to the border to get the van changed to your or hubby’s FM3.
If you choose to hustle and get your van nationalized in mom’s name, I understand you would still need to go to the border to cancel out the Temporary Import permit and have Aduana/Banjercito remove the sticker. I mention hustling, because the 10 year old deadline for your vehicle ends TOMORROW, Oct. 31. Nov. 1, 2011 is the kick-off date for importing 2002 model year vehicles under the Aduana law’s rules. Since you have no clear title, then this option seems moot.
Either way it is a 5 hour drive to the Chetumal/Belize border from Merida.
I just realized that there’s a simple-er way to justify your hubby driving the van: ANY foreigner with the SAME INM visa category is permitted to drive the Temporary Import permitted vehicle. Since you, hubby, and mom all have FM3 Rentistas, then Article 106 clearly permits hubby or you to drive mom’s van. => NO LETTER NEEDED & No proof of relationship needed…
This is one of several good reasons to keep a copy of Article 106 in the vehicle, (maybe with the key passages highlighted to make it easy for the police to find), since many officers do not know the Aduana laws and rules.
I think we’ve got all the bases covered now,
steve
Great bunch of info in all these notes and your replies. I have another question regarding older vehicles. We have two vehicles here in Mexico: a 1991 and a 1997. Can we nationalize them?
Kathleen
Hi Kathleen,
It seems that Aduana’s rules are in transition now, offering new services and changing some policies. Please check out our latest article: Mexican Custom’s New Importation Rules: Starting Nov. 1, 2011 at http://yucalandia.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/new-aduanas-importation-rules-starting-nov-1-2011/ .
Some Aduana web-sites say that you cannot permanently import older than 10 year old vehicles, unless they qualify as classic cars. As listed in our latest article, you could check out the Aduana VIN checker webpage and enter your information to get a report whether you are permitted to bring them in, and if they are allowed, get a report on the taxes & fees you would owe to import the vehicles. Our 1996 Ford Ranger is eligible, but would cost over $3,000 USD in taxes and fees – which is more than the truck is worth. It would be much cheaper to take the truck out of Mexico and sell it, and then use the $$$ to buy a better vehicle here.
steve
Steve, just so I am sure, are you saying he can have a Mexican license and because he is in the same FM3 Visa Category, he is okay?
One more for you, if my Mom passed away, what would the circumstances be then?
Thank you for all your time and answers!
Lesley
Lesley,
“…he can have a Mexican license and because he is in the same FM3 Visa Category…” Exactly!
(unless your state has some unusual state-specific special prescription against it in their Reglamentos de Transito??? – Each state can set it’s own driving requirements.)
If Mom passes, then we understand you have to take the vehicle out of Mexico. You could either drive it out, and hope not to get in an accident or get stopped, or you could use the Safe Return program (described above) to drive it out legally, or you could have it loaded on a flat-bed and hauled out.
All good,
steve
Thanks Steve, very clear now and very appreciative for your time and patience.
Thank you so much!
Lesley
Wow! Great info here Steve. I have a question for your regarding the FMM.
Here is the scenario. Back in February 2011 we crossed into baja and received our 180-day FMM. We had a blast down there and came back home, somewhere in my head I knew I had to return this FMM but it slipped my mind until this week!
Now I am planning to return to Mexico on Dec. 1st. I am wondering what will happen with this expired FMM? Will I just be fined and issued another one? Will I be turned away since I already “spent” my 180-day visa up? I am kind of freaking out here, Mexico is the first leg of our Pan-American adventure! I need to get in!
Also, I do not recall getting a vehicle import permit when we went to Baja, just want to confirm that this was not necessary even when traveling all the way to Cabo San Lucas.
Now we plan to drive across Mexico and into Guatemala, Is there any difference in the vehicle import procedure when you plan to drive across instead of in and back out to the states?
Here was my trip report back in March
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=51851
and here is our new blog for our PanAm trip!
http://homeonthehighway.com
Thank you sir,
James
James,
INM might nick you for $40 when you return to Mexico, but many people report re-entering with no problem.
Re Car travel without a Temporary Import permit:
The US State Dept gives a good description of the rules: “Tourists wishing to travel beyond the border zone with their vehicle must obtain a temporary import permit or risk having their vehicle confiscated by Mexican customs officials. At present the only exceptions to the requirement are for vehicles traveling in the Baja Peninsula and those vehicles covered by the “Only Sonora” program in Western Sonora. This program generally covers the area west of Mexican Federal Highway 15 between the Arizona border and the Gulf of California, ending in Impalme. ”
As long you keep the vehicle in the Zona Frontera, Baja California, Western Sonora, etc, then you do not need a Temporary Import permit.(solicitud de importación temporal de vehículos). If you plan to drive outside these special areas, then you either have to drive back to the border, or better still: just get a Temporary Import permit when you cross the border.
steve
Actually La Paz, BCS will issue TIPs (when you take the ferry to the mainland).
Great site, complicated topic.
have just brought my boat to mexico on a 10 year temporary import. It was pulled by a car (that I will be returning to US shortly), but the boat has it’s own permit. I have only a 180 day FMM. I don’t know if any of the above discussion applies to boats, but the permit is eaxctly the same piece of paper/ window sticker, from Banjercito as a car temporary import.
My question is if I apply for an FM2,can I just keep the boat there as long as I maintainmy FM2 ? And do I need to apply for the FM2 while my curret FMM is valid, or can I wait? I really want to avoid trailering the boat bck up to the border 10 years from now, and don’t wat to miss this window of oportunity.
Kepup the good wrk.
Judson,
Sorry, we aren’t familiar with the rules on boats. I’d love for you to return here and write about what you find out for your situation, when you get it resolved.
Best of luck,
steve
can i drive a Mexican number-plate car with my US driver license? I would like to borrow my mexican cousin’s car while I visit MX and do some traveling/driving on my own.
Roy,
Maybe yes, maybe no, because it depends on your state’s rules. Every Mexican state has its own Reglamento de Tránsito. Yucatan allows any licensed driver to drive a car with Yucatan plates, but Baja California requires that drivers of cars with BC plates also have a BC license. Read your state’s rules to find out,
steve
I have a question on your previous remarks “Leaving Mexico without your Vehicle Registered under an FMM: (Hint: Don’t).” I will be driving to Mexico from US in my car, and thereafter taking a return flight to Argentina and back to MexicoCity. I have tried to clarify from the aduana official over the phone if I will encounter any problem at the border while cancelling my vehicle-permit on my final return to US by road. I called aduana [aduana.mexico.usuariosweb2@sat.gob.mx] 1 877 4488 728 from US, then click on option 7-2-2-1-1 to clarify the conflict of control-number between the first FMM (entry by car) AND the new FMM that I will be issued at the airport on my return from Argentina. THEY SAY THAT I SHOULDN’T HAVE ANY PROBLEM at the border while returning by car with the new FMM (entry by avion). Albeit, I somehow trust yucalandia’s opinion than the nice official who answered from the aduana. The toll free number to call the same aduana from Mexico is 1 800 46 36 728. Is Banjercito the final authority in such matters? Can I use a photocopy of my first FMM from the crossing-with-car to return the ‘permiso de importación temporal del vehiculo’? Can someone who has faced a similar circumstance please comment ? Thanks.
Tobias,
Reports from people exiting Mexico over the past 6 months say that Aduana/Banjercito personnel have simply been removing stickers, and entering the sticker information into their databases to show that the person returned the sticker, without comparing the person’s current visa with the old sticker’s associated visa, so, the answer you got from Aduana makes sense with current procedures.
steve
I am a US citizen who has been living in mexico for about 20 years by using an FMM permit and renewing it and my car permit every 180 days. I live about 350 miles from the Nogales, AZ border and am getting tired of the trip to the border every 6 months and am thinking about upgrading to a FM3 permit but I’m not sure if the advantages outweigh the costs. I think the FMM costs about 20 USD per 180 days ($40 USD per year) and the car permit around $35 USD per 180 days ($70 USD per year). So about $110 per year plus the 2 trips. What would be the approx. cost per year with a FM3 including car permit?
Also you mentioned “Exceptions to the rules: Cars over 29 years old also qualify for free importation as “classics”. The car i bring in is now 30 years old. I’ve never heard about that rule. Do you know where I can find more info about that?
Thank you
Robert
Hi Robert,
Check the Aduana site at http://www.aduanas.sat.gob.mx/aduana_mexico/2008/vehiculos/141_10175.html for info on importing classic vehicles. Use the Aduana VIN checker to determine your permanent import fees at http://paisano.prevalidadorcaaarem.org.mx/Cotizador/ . FM3′s cost $2801 pesos per year, but for FM3′s you must have an No Inmigrante Rentista visa to qualify to bring in a temporarily imported vehicle. See http://yucalandia.wordpress.com/living-in-yucatan-mexico/moving-to-mexico-fmm-fm2-or-fm3/ for details on this.
steve
Awesome info Steve… thank you for summarizing it so well.
I have read on other sites that on the tourist status entry, you are allowed to have a US plated vehicle only 180 days out of each year…. is that true? What do people do with their cars who go to the border to renew their tourist visa?
Also… as an aside, I am curious… I am moving down next spring and will be working as an artist, selling locally and probably shipping some things back to US galleries as well What type of no inmigrante status would be best please? I understand there are many types of (former) FM3 visas.
And as I understand it the maximum no. of yrs for a FM3 is 5 yrs? So what do people do then if they don’t have the income to qualify for an FM2? Thank you so much for your invaluable info.
Carol,
Thanks for the kind words.
Since each FMM (tourist permit) are issued for 180 days maximum, an expat can only bring a car into Mexico for…. 180 days, because the expiration date for an auto Temporary Import permit from Aduana is their INM immigration permit expiration date. Change your immigration permit to FM3 No Inmigrante, extending your immigration expiration date by a year, and your car permit’s expiration date automatically gains a year – but you do have to notify Aduana of the change in INM expiration date.
I am not an expert on the subcategories of No Inmigrante visas, but I would think that a working FM3: No Inmigrante Lucrativo would be appropriate. Ask at INM.
At the end of a 5 years on a No Inmigrante permit, the current rules say to apply for a new No Inmigrante permit. Still, since the new regulations for the new law are due out at the end of November, check back to in December or January to find out what the new rules are. If you read our article on the new immigration law, your new category would likely be Residente Temporal, but we only know the general characteristics of this category for now;
steve
Thanks Steve…. I wasn’t very clear in my question…. I had heard that the car permit for a tourist permit is only 180 days in any given year… so that if one exits and then gets ANOTHER tourist permit… they can then NOT get another car permit…. have you heard that?
And… would really appreciate some input re the final question above:
“And as I understand it the maximum no. of yrs for a FM3 is 5 yrs? So what do people do then if they don’t have the income to qualify for an FM2?”
Thanks so much!
Hi Carol,
The answers to your questions are in my first reply – just not clear enough.
1. You are permitted to get a Temporary Import permit from Aduana for the time period of your INM permit. This means that if you choose to go to the border every 180 days, to get a new FMM, then your next new Temporary Import permit from Aduana is for the time period of your new FMM. and on and on and on.
Sidelight: I’m not very interested in trying to understand, explain, or correct all the curious advice that is given to expats on the web, but I’ll respond this one time: I understand that some people on the web are telling expats that they can only get 1 FMM per year, but that’s just not correct. INM and Aduana have allowed foreigners to get serial FMMs and serial Temporary Import permits with each fresh FMM for at least 10 years. For every person (newbie?) who has recently read the letter of law for INM and Aduana (laws recently posted on the internet for everyone to interpret), and then they tell people their interpretations, there are also 5 who take the time to visit INM and Aduana offices and ask how the policies are actually implemented, and there are 10 more who have been traveling to the border and doing the FMM & Temporary Import dances successfully for years.
2. You asked: “And as I understand it the maximum no. of yrs for a FM3 is 5 yrs? So what do people do then if they don’t have the income to qualify for an FM2?”
I replied:
“At the end of a 5 years on a No Inmigrante permit, the current rules say to apply for a new No Inmigrante permit.
Still, since the new regulations for the new law are due out at the end of November, check back to in December or January to find out what the new rules are. If you read our article on the new immigration law, your new category would likely be Residente Temporal, but we only know the general characteristics of this category for now.”
I have bolded the key parts of my previous answer to you, to help them stand out. If these answers still don’t make sense, maybe you could re-phrase your question? Really, the old rules/law used to allow serial FM3/No Inmigrante permits, but NO ONE outside of INM officials know what the new rules will say – since they will not be issued until Nov. 25, 2011. You may find that it would be easier to apply for the new Residente Permanente under the new upcoming rules?
Happy Trails,
steve
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hi , great info here, i do have a small problem in that i have lost my vehicle registration- i got a copy faxed from our authorities (ICBC) , but no original. – all other docs in order
any thoughts on the chance of a successful temp import permit with only a copy of the reg?
well i got the answer first hand – and sent back to the usa.:(
orig docs only!
Hey David,
Thank you for writing back to describe that the Aduana/Banjhercito agents you worked with would NOT allow a copy of your car registration from the ICBC (Insurance Corporation of British Columbia ?).
Sorry to hear that things did not work out…
steve
Hi guy it’s great that your have this blog i can only hope that people learn from others experiances . We were the smart ones we left the country without turning in our 10 yr permit then sold the unit back in Canada . this year we were denied entry because of that act the paper chase started getting Canadian government documentation to prove the unit was sold in Canada. Then all that stuff plus request to have our oustanding permit cancelled in spanish were sent to Mexico City. Now after reading how long people have been waiting for the forgiveness of there sins we might as well give up and go home. So people take note if you break the Mexican laws you must pay the price.
fyi – icbc will expresspost a new set original docs – took 4 days but we are now on the beach in mazatlan
for a laugh – we removed the side view mirror of the ford expedition of the police chief in noajova with our rv awning! – there was some big police gathering and cars parked on the side of the road – his took up nearly half our lane and the guy in the next lane would not give – cops were awesome and super nice – they got the adjuster there in 10 min – and sent me on my way shortly after
Hi David,
Great news on both counts !
We hear so many stories of things not working well or going south, that it sure is good to hear your fine news.
steve
ok, so my import permit and fmm are due to expire on january 17th, now if i fly back to the border and get a new fmm visa does that mean that my car permit is still valid as long as my fmm visa is? or do i have to do something else to maintain the car permit valid?
juan,
ummmmmm, I think you may have a problem. How did you leave Mexico, and what did you do with your old FMM?
When you drove or shipped the car into Mexico under a Temporary Import permit, you signed an agreement to take the car out of Mexico before your FMM expired. If you left Mexico without turning in your FMM, then your car is in limbo – and if you are stopped by the police, they could confiscate your vehicle permanently. When you left Mexico, you agreed to take the vehicle out with you. Your legal options are to get a 3-5 day permit from the Safe Returns program to drive the vehicle to the border (link listed above).
You could continue to drive the car, illegally, since your old FMM is not valid, but you risk losing the vehicle permanently. There are reports from around the internet that some border crossings allow expats to re-enter Mexico using their old FMMs, while other crossings do not allow you to re-enter using your old FMM. If they let you in with your old FMM, then you can either file for a No Inmigrante/FM3 Rentista and then re-register the car with Aduana (in person) with your new FM3 and new expiration date, or… once back into Mexico with your old FMM, you would then take the car to a border, exit Mexico, and return under a new FMM and new import permit.
If INM requires that you get a new FMM when you return, then your only legal option is the Safe Returns program – and a run to the border.
Good luck,
steve
I am still in mexico but my fmm and car permit expire early next year, and i wish to stay here a couple more months, i was just wondering if i could fly back to tijuana(im in guadalajara jalisco) and renew or get a new fmm and keep my cars permit for a longer time without having to drive all the way back to the border.
Juan,
Having your FMM current in Mexico would allow you to file for a No Inmigrante Rentista FM3, which would allow you to keep the car in Mexico. Otherwise, you agreed to take the car out of Mexico when your FMM expires.
steve
ok one more thing just to make sure, if i go back to the USA without the car, and come back right away with a new fmm visa(since supposedely your car permit is legal if you have a lagal tourist visa ) than would my car permit stay legal ? i just want to stay a couple of more months and i heard applying for an fm3 visa takes a lot of time and money
Outstanding material! Thank you! My wife and I will be in Mexico for 3 months in early 2012. We are renting a condo and the owner has offered us the use of his USA plated vehicle. He has an FM3. We will be in country on FMM’s. In your opinion, is this saying we could have the vehicle confiscated when driving it without him?
Hey Rick,
The owner is very kind to loan you a vehicle. What he is offering is not legal, since you have a different classification of visa than his, so, he risks losing the vehicle if you drive it.
He may have successfully loaned the vehicle many times, but not gotten caught. It would take a sequence of steps to get the vehicle confiscated. If the police stop you, they typically do not check the visa of the driver.
If they check your visa, then they would also have to check the Temporary Import permit from Aduana, (which should be in the vehicle). Municipal and State police are not officially allowed to tow/confiscate the vehicle for Aduana Import Permit violations, but they do it anyway sometimes. Formally, the police are supposed to block-in (detain) your vehicle and you until Aduana officers arrive = sitting for hours(??). Then Aduana could permanently confiscate the vehicle, and you could be jailed (for days) for fraud, until your insurance agent makes a financial agreement to bail you out.
If you got into an accident, then things could get very sticky, very fast. Some people report that some insurance companies would deny coverage for the accident when the car is being driven by an unauthorized driver. You would then typically sit in detention for 3-5 days (or indefinitely), with no food (unless youhave friends or family bringing you food), until someone made a financial arrangement with the police to pay for any and all damages claimed by the other party.
=> Unless someone could come up with a $10,000 – $50,000 US dollars or a bond, then you would sit in jail.
His offer is kind, but if you had just a little bad luck: like someone turning left in front of you – coming from the right hand lane …
- then you could be liable for all their damages and their injuries and any and all medical treatments etc – and if you have no insurance policy and no insurance agent coming to the accident site to represent you personally, then the police put drivers in indefinite detention until financial agreements are made.
So, the car owner is likely protected by his insurance – so, he’s covered – with no worries – but you might find an ugly surprise for yourself if you had a little bad luck while driving. We’ve just had several gringos spend 4-5 days each in jail here in Yucatan because they were not covered for financial bonds to get out of detainment/jail.
steve
Hi
We are three couples who have set up a corporation in Progreso in order to purchase a property for a new Christian ministry. We plan to drive a 15 passenger Econoline down from Calgary, Canada and keep our Canadian plates on it. We just feel more comfortable purchasing a van from a reputable Canadian dealer plus we have a trailer full of equipment that we need to bring down with us.. We would like the flexibility to enable all 6 of us to drive this vehicle in the Progreso area. Will we all have to get our rentista FM2 or the FM3 visas prior to entering Mexico?. Should we register the vehicle in Canada under the name of our corporation? Would we all have to include our names on the vehicle’s registration papers from Canada? Would we all have to ensure that our FM’s had the same renewal dates on them? Are we dreaming or what….??
Hi Kim,
1. Authorized Drivers: If you get a Temporary Import permit at the border, then each driver has to have the same category of “visa” as the person who imports the vehicle. So you could all get FMM Tourist visas at the border for 180 days, or all apply for FM-3 Rentistas. Since you would be coming after Jan 1 2012, you will likely be covered by the new INM law => no FM3 – instead Residente Temporal.
2. Ownership Issues: I really don’t know the relative benefits or liabilities to having an individual or a corporation own the van. There might be insurance issues in having the Corp. own the van – etc – so I would talk with (pay) a professional to help advise you on the ramifications. (e.g. I could try to track down some of the information from our insurance agent, but that would likely take an hour of fooling-around to touch all the bases.)
If you have the corporation own the van, then carry an official letter on Corporation letterhead stating exactly who is allowed to drive the van.
Your choice of route through Mexico’s border states may actually be more important, due to the problems with gangs robbing people etc… The coast route is recommended by lots of expats at the beach, but that takes you through some of the most crime ridden states in Mexico – known for roadway robberies. The coast route is also slower due to 2-lane roads and lots of little towns with 1,000′s of topes. The routes through the center of Mexico only take you about 200 mile total out of your way – uses 4 lane expressways for most of the way – and makes for much safer driving and much faster travel and few topes.
Overall, your plan seems reasonable,
steve
Wow, Steve…a reply in less than an hour!! Thanks for the advice…..we will ask a professional in Canada who specializes in Mexican ex-pat affairs. Now, what can you tell all of us about the new Residente Temporal – how is it different from the FM3 and/or FM2?
Kim,
Check out our article on the New Immigration Law for details on Residente Temporal visas: http://yucalandia.wordpress.com/living-in-yucatan-mexico/new-immigration-law-published-for-mexico-the-article/
Our local INM office personnel were saying last week that the Reglamentos for the new law will be issued on Jan. 2, 2012 – kicking-off the beginning of using the new law. There are even reports of employee training being done to bring INM employees up to speed on all the changes.
steve
Hi Steve,
I’m immensely impressed with your site and the trouble you go to, very kind of you. I have several questions. I have an FM3 and drove in my 1998 Lexus LX470 from El Paso about four years ago, getting the sticker in Cuidad Juarez at the auto stop on the way south ( a simple, quick and cheap process by the way) and we drove on down to our condo in Cancun. Now we would like to get the Lexus back to the US and sell it and bring in something newer. Can we hand in our sticker at aduana in Cancun and ship the vehicle back from Cancun to Miami and ship another vehicle in that way even though we drove it in from the northern border? Is there a difference in a sticker issued in Cancun from a ship importation to driving one in from the border, some people have told us that you can only drive in Q.Roo with the Cancun sticker ?
Last question, we brought our 1998 Lexus into Mexico because there was no import tax on that year so we could always sell it in El Paso or Miami as it would be desirable to a Mexican citizen to import to Mexico. What is the current law about no import tax vehicles into Mexico, may be no longer an option. Thanks again, Ian.
Hi Ian,
You can have Aduana/Banjercito in Cancun remove the sticker, and issue you the document that proves you turned in your sticker, and that you have successfully cancelled your Temporary Import permit – when you take the vehicle out of Mexico. Let them remove the sticker.
The Temporary Import permits work the same, whether you enter at Nogales, Matamoros, Chetumal, or Cancun. Same driving priviledges and responsibilities and restrictions where ever you drive in Mexico, regardless of what Aduana/Banjercito office issued the permit.
Only 8 and 9 year old vehicles are being allowed in for permanent importation and nationalization at fees of roughly $1,500 – $3,000 USD per vehicle – based on the NADA Blue Book value. Classic cars more than 30 years old qualify. Other vehicles can be brought in, but at very high import duties.
Hope this all helps,
steve
Hi Steve,
Thank you so much for that information, so if I am getting that right I can book a shipping freight company for the Lexus out of Cancun, have the Aduana remove the sticker on departure and then ship in a replacement vehicle from Miami back to Cancun. I can then get a replacement sticker when the new (used) vehicle comes in at Cancun. The sticker and rules are then the same as before.
Are you in Merida ? I owe you a dinner, we have a condo in Cancun and will be there Jan 17 to Feb 8. Thanks again, Ian.
Ian,
Thanks for kind offer. Give us a shout when/if you come over to Merida.
Yes, you can have Cancun Aduana handle both the cancellation of the old permit and issuing a new permit. I understand that the Ports require the expat to hire a Customs Broker to handle to details. So, you may need to contact a Customs Broker, especially to import the replacement vehicle.
steve
Thanks Steve for all the advice, I’ll get you before we visit Merida the next time, best wishes for 2012, Ian.
Hello!
I am a Norwgian that want to import a vehicle from the states to mexico. Do anyone know if the import rules are the same for me as for the Americans?
Good Morning Frove,
The rules say nothing about the nationality of the immigrant matching the nationality of the vehicle. Canadians buy US vehicles and import them, so, the rules are the same for you.
steve
Iam a canadian who has just purchased a 2006 toyota highlander in Houston, texas. In the process of applying for MF3 at the Mexican consulate in canada and moving to Mexico in February, 2012. The dealer will give me a 30 day tag/permit to transport the vehicle. The insurance company will cover me. How do i register the vehicle pryor to entry and get a plated vehicle. How have other canadians who have purchased a US vehicle done this so as to import one to Mexico. Since I am importing to Mexico do I have to pay Texas sales tax? I would appreciate your suggestions
Hi David,
You can pre-register the car online at the Aduana website, or you might find it easier to do at the border crossing.
At the border, INM will give you an FMM that is good for 6 months. You can use your FMM to qualify to temporarily import your car through Aduana.
I am not familiar with how you could get a Texas tag, unless you get a Texas mailing address. Each Mexican state has different requirements for keeping your car’s registration current in future years. This means that you might have trouble driving on expired plates from Texas, depending on where you live or drive. If you go to a Mexican state that requires current US or Canadian registration for temporarily imported cars, you may need to register your vehicle in South Dakota. The Clay County DMV in South Dakota has a good reputation among expats for providing ongoing registrations, license plates, etc. for people who do not have US addresses. It’s all legal, they are very helpful, and I think it would be easiest if you got this done before you enter Mexico. Mexconnect has several very good discussions on how to do this. Check out this example: http://www.mexconnect.com/forums/General_C1/Living,_Working,_Retiring_F4/South_Dakota_car_plates_P165525/
Where are you headed in Mexico?
All the best, and Happy Trails,
steve
With reference to importing vehicles, I just heard about a Onapaffa Permit for foreign vehicles especially older vehicles. We have a 1997 and a 1991. Would having this permit cancel the records of their importation at Aduana and could we then sell them? One of them, the 1997, doesn’t run and no matter what mechanical work is done it won’t run and we therefore can’t drive it to the border to return it’s sticker. We would like to sell it for parts, but first it has to be removed from the system.
Any comment? Kathleen
Kathleen,
We enjoy following the discussions on a number of expat boards around Mexico and the BajaNomad board had the best answer we’ve seen describing ONAPAFA, and I think it’s best to give credit – and not paraphrase things – and not just make citations of the web address, because so much content on the web disappears or changes over time. Anyway, here’s an unaltered set of pertinent quotations:
“HaciendaCerritos – 11-5-2009 at 12:02 AM Wrote:
A whole lot of Mexican’s use Onapaffa. Let me explain why. My truck was registered in the US and it was not eligible for importation yet because of it’s age, but my mexican husband could not legally drive it with US plates on it. Onapaffa allows Mexicans to drive vehicles with US plates during the process of importation (as long as it has an Onappaffa sticker on it and they have the Onappaffa ID card in their name in the vehicle)- which in some cases can take up to 5 years and you have to pay a fee every year at onapaffa to get a new annual sticker from them. My truck took almost 5 years to complete but he could drive it legally during that time with no problems.
His uncle did the same thing with a car I brought down for him. The problem is that at the end of the 5 years, he was notified that the vehicle could not be imported because it was Japanese. He lost all the money he paid out.
I have not known of Americans who use this process, that doesn’t mean they don’t use it – I am just personally unaware of any. I would think it a viable option. They say that you cannot cross back into the US with a vehicle that has a Onappaffa sticker on it, we proved that wrong with another of my vehicles which I did keep valid plates on and we did cross the border with no problem back into California at TJ. Once you have your vehicle legally imported, there may be some restirctions as to how far you can take it into the US – you may want to check that out if you do plan to return it to the US.”
continuing from another poster:
“Be careful of trying to import your vehicle through ONAPAFA. They do not have the legal authority to do this. They are a group formed by local Mexicans to protest annual license taxes on imported vehicles. (Imported vehicles are required to pay a higher annual license fee than Mexican manufactured vehicles are required to pay.)
The “permit” that ONAPAFA issues is not an import permit. It is a membership fee to join the protest group and you are required to pay a monthly fee thereafter. You will be issued a sticker for your vehicle window and told that only the applicant for the permit may drive the vehicle. If you are stopped by the police for an infraction or inspection the police will ask to see your ONAPAFA papers and verify that you are the authorized driver of the vehicle.
The ONAPAFA group is lobbying in Mexico City for a change in taxation laws so that imported vehicles are not required to pay higher annual license fees. The fees that are paid to ONAPAFA are not for the expense of an import permit, they are fees to support the expense of their lobbying effort.
Vehicles displaying the ONAPAFA permit have not previously been issued tickets for invalid papers. The protest group has been tolerated by authorities because it is a “hot potato” political issue. Legally ONAPAFA members are in violation of state and federal laws and risk having their vehicles confiscated at any time that the government is no longer tolerant of their grassroots protest.”
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?fid=1&tid=42255&action=printable
So, it seems that there is no real official ONAPAFA permit, especially for foreigners - but that there is a ONAPAFA sticker that Mexicans can buy and then pay a group annually to renew – and that this is not an official program – and that the Mex. Gob. might shut it down at any point??? But as an expat who has no opinions on politics or the government, I have no opinion on this matter.
Thank you for the very detailed answer. Obviously this won’t work for me. There’s got to be a way to get my undriveable vehicle off the system. Any idea how?
Kathleen,
Turn it in (surrender it) to Aduana. Aduana is the issuer of the permit, and they have a program for accepting Temporarily Imported vehicles, where they cancel your old permit, freeing you to bring in another vehicle. Or have it hauled to the border and sell it.
steve
Someone on the SMA civil list said that in these types of situations you could just take your paperwork to the Mexican car permit people and explain the situation, and maybe pay a slight fine and they would terminate the permit. Worth a try.
Thank you for this. For the Puerto Vallarta area do I go to the Aduana office at the Puerto Vallarta airport or is there another office that covers vehicles? This is definitely worth a try, thanks again, Kathleen
Sorry Kathleen… I really don’t know.
One of the local expats should know? Or perhaps you can call a consulate in the US to get the info? Or perhaps search online?
Good luck…. I’m sure you can do it once you find the right office. It may take going to the airport to find out if there is a different place. Carol
Thanks again and when I find out where and what the procedure is I’ll post it. Wish me luck. Kathleen
I need to obtain a pedimento for a trailer that is already in Q.Roo under a temporary permit. Does anybody know any contacts for Custom Brokers (Agente Aduanal) around Playa Del Carmen? I need email address. Prefer Broker that speaks English, Thank you, Jud
Hey there
Love your site , very informative . I am a canadian working in mexico on an Fm3 visa. I recently purchased a used 2001 suburban that has been nationalized. I went to transfer ownership to my name and was asked for a mexican drivers licence . I have been driving for two years with my canadian drivers licence but i have been stopped twice recently and the police told me also that i must obtain a mexican drivers licence. Question . Are there any special requirments for me to get a drivers licence???
Hey Steve,
The rules for driver’s licenses are controlled by each State, so each State has their own requirements. Ask at your State’s version of the DMV.
e.g. Here in Yucatan, there is no requirement for immigrants to get Mexican driver’s licenses, while I understand Baja California and other States require them for expats living there.
steve
Hi Steve,
I tried to send you an email on the home page but could not see a way, sorry, we are in Cancun until Feb 7 and we owe you a dinner (not coming to Merida this time) if you will be this way. I had no idea your web site had all this info about Mexico in general, fantastic site. Apologies for using this as communication, Ian.
Ian,
All Good!
steve
Hi Steve,
Am living in Tulum and looking at buying a car. If I buy a car here, can I then drive it out of the state and out of the country to return to Canada? I am getting mixed info here…
From a friend who has questions, as well: if you drive an RV in on a 10 year permit, can you then fl home, buy a car from US or Canada and drive in with that car?
Thanks!
Hi Rachel,
Is the car plated in Mexico? If it was manufactured for the Mexican market, it may not meet emissions or safety standards for permanently importing to Canada??? If you are buying an expat’s car who originally imported it from Canada or the US then it should meet Canada’s requirements for safety and emissions standards.
I know friends who temporarily imported a car on one trip, and an RV later on a second trip.
steve
Cars I am looking to buy are plated in Mexico. Finding one plated from Canada or US much tougher… I just didn’t want to buy and then find out I can’t cross the border with it as I need to drive my dog and cat with me.
Carol,
Good thinking. You would be able to drive the car across the border, but you would have difficulty licensing it there. Obviously, cars can be upgraded to meet Canadian and US safety and emissions standards, but the cost of retrofitting most cars is just not worth it. If you had purchased a Mercedes for a very cheap price in Europe, it could be worth the expense of retrofitting it for importation as a “grey market” car, but Mexican cars cost so much that the added expense of retrofitting them make it cheaper just to buy a car in the US or Canada.
steve
Thanks, Steve! Appreciate the advice and helps with my decision!
Hey Steve
We will be driving a truck AND utility trailer with Alberta plates on them, into Mexico in March. I am wondering if I will also have to register the “trailer” at customs on a temporary 180 day permit that is also linked to my 180 day tourist visa? Am I correct in assuming that when I leave Mexico, I will have to take BOTH the truck AND trailer with me? Alternatively, I will likely apply for my FM3 once we are in Mexico and then I can re-new the truck AND trailer permit on an annual basis at the same time as when I renew my FM3 – am I correct? Then I can leave BOTH the truck and trailer in Mexico, even when I have to fly home, right? I have also heard that when I cross the border, I should register the names of any person that I wish to give permission to drive our truck when we are in Mexico. Do you know if there is a limit to the number of names that are allowed? (We wish to allow many staff members of our ministry to drive it…)
Please confirm my assumptions or set me on the right track….
Thanks a lot!
Kim
Hi Kim,
Wow, you really have done your homework well. Correct, correct, correct, …OK… (Oll Korrect).
If you only have the FMM, then you have to take both out. If you have an FM3 or FM2 Rentista, then you can keep them here as long as your visa does not expire – and you notify Aduana of your visa changes and renewals. One possible note to realize is: Temporary Import permit vehicles can be driven by any immigrant with the same visa category as the current INM visa holder => if you have an No Inmigrante(FM3) visa, then other FM3 holders can also drive it. Same with FMMs – which would seem to let everyone in the group who also has FMMs permission to drive it. Read Article 106 above if you are unsure – and keep Spanish and English copies of Article 106 in the vehicle if you are stopped.
steve
Steve,
What a wonderful resource! Thanks for all the information you are sharing. My parents just drove their 2003 Ford to Mazatlan, where they own a condo. Unfortunately, they didn’t figure out in advance that they needed to pick up a sticker at the border and the border agent just waved them through. Now, 2 weeks into being in Mexico, they just learned that they need the sticker and that their vehicle could be impounded. Their options are to drive 600 miles, take a $500 ferry, or order the sticker online. I *think* I’ve found the correct website to fill out the application (banjercito, importacion temporal de vehiculos, right?) and we can get the sticker to them after it is sent to their home in the US. Will they still need to do something when they get it, though? Will they still need to drive to the border or anything? Any advice you can offer while we attempt to legitimize them would be appreciated!
Angela,
Yes, the sticker must be recorded (in person) by Aduana/Banjercito personnel at the border and the Aduana/Banjercito personnel install the sticker on the windshield at the border, and enter the final registration information into their database. If your parents are concerned about having the vehicle permanently confiscated before they get to the border, they could apply for the Safe Returns program listed above. This program issues a special permission that gives the owner a 3-5 day window to drive to the border legally.
Advice: Apply through the Safe Returns program. If they do not want to risk having the vehicle confiscated, then don’t drive it until they get the Safe Returns 3-5 day permit.
steve
Steve,
Thank you for all the great information. After I have my FM3 visa would you comment on which is better, to buy a car in Mexico or to bring from US. It would not matter to me, but from what I have read it appears buying in Mexico may have some advantages. Thanks!
Hey Jack,
You could try to find vehicles in the US that have counterparts here in Mexico: e.g. a Ford Ranger pickup or Nissan Sentra – (vehicles that meet NAFTA requirements if you want to do a permanent import), but even the Nissans do not use exactly the same parts. The Nissan brakes are similar, but need modifications, belts are different, alternators & starters are similar but need modifications, etc.
For these reasons, I’d plan on finding a good used vehicle here, so that it’s easy to repair. If you live in a rural area in Mexico where it’s hard to find a good used car, instead I would plan to buy a US manufacturer vehicle back in the USA – because they don’t have the parts issues that the Japanese vehicles do.
steve
hello, i have an american friend that bought a car while in mexico, from another american.
They were told that it was legal for an american to sell a car to another american in Mexico?
The last time the vehicle was driven into the country by the original owner, they did not get a temporary permit sticker. However the title and registration was signed over to the new owner, legally in the US. The original owner now has a new and legally permitted car in Mexico.
The old car and new owner are now trying to figure out how to drive the car back to the states on an FMM, and zero importation sticker , except they have an Onapafa sticker/mex insurance/valid drivers license and title.
Will this car be seized at the boarder? If the original owner drives with the new owner back to the US, because their name is on the original title, will that work? or will the the original owner be punished bc they sold the car in mexico? Will the boarder police will check and know?
thank you, i know this sounds confusing.
Hello Elizabeth,
Since they have no sticker from Aduana/Banjercito, they do not need to stop at Aduana as they leave Mexico. In theory if they were stopped by the Mexican police for an accident or traffic stop while inside Mexico, the car could be confiscated, because the Onapafa sticker does not officially replace Aduana stickers. Because of the potential hassles for the police to have to deal with Onapafa, the police tend to ignore the violation of Aduana rules (no TIP) for cars with Onapafa stickers.
Your friend can simply drive to the border, and use their US title to get the car registered after they cross into the US – like in Texas. Texas used to issue temporary 30 day registrations to Americans entering Texas from Mexico while driving on expired plates from another US state. I do not know Texas current regulations on this. Give us a shout on how Texas does things now.
Happy Trails,
steve
thank you Steve, this helps alot.
I forgot to say, that there has been a problem with the title bc it is ‘signed over’ legally in the states , but the federales think it looks weird, bc the new owners name is on the back. and start to question.
because I have heard from my friend that mainland mexico is more strict than Baja, could driving through baja be a better bet not to be hassled by the federales. ? (the car is a sporty and expensive looking for certain areas in Mexico, with tinted windows , so it does cause curiosity, which is very frustrating to my friend, who has been ‘accused’ of suspicious behavior, and fined only while trying to visit a mexican market!)
So maybe Baja is better, but the US registration would have to be up to date? That would mean getting on the ferry in La Paz. Do you know if they check all car documents at the ferry point? Just an idea. I believe my friend is willing to tip whatever the officers ask , bc
the confiscation of the car would be a much greater loss.
Im assuming that crossing back into the US, a US car needs proof of US insurance?
or will they take ‘international travel’ coverage.
sorry for so many questions.
thank you !
elizabeth,
As I wrote before, the car is actually not legal to drive in Mexico without the Aduana/Banjercito sticker. If your friend wants to take the safest route out of Mexico, use the method described above in the article: Safe Returns program. The Safe Returns document gives the owner 3-5 days to legally drive the car out of Mexico – no questions asked. They can get insurance at the border – or apply by phone or online first. I do not know what “international travel” coverage means for their company – so, it is up to them to contact their ins. co. & find out if their coverage continues in the USA.
steve
hello, thank you for the information,
i have heard about the safe returns program, but couldn’t find it in english
on the banjercito website. do you have a link? im greatful for all your advise , this will help
my friend alot. Will the banjercito recognize that the ‘owner’ is the new one signed over the american way on the back of the original title?
elizabeth,
Did you read the Aduana / SAT site on Safe Returns? http://www.aduanas.gob.mx/aduana_mexico/2008/vehiculos/141_10027.html I couldn’t find anything on the Banjercito website about Safe Returns.
I think your friend has gotten themself deep into breaking Mexican laws, so we propose that the actual owner of the vehicle file for the Safe Return. We do not advocate lying or deception here at Yucalandia – and there are so many layers of broken rules in this case, that we think that that your friend should talk with an attorney about what legal options they have here in Mexico.
Alternately, if you read the SAT – Aduana site on Safe Returns it clearly says that the legitimate cases for applying for a Safe Returns permit (Supuestos de aplicación) include your friend’s situation: “Propietarios de vehículos ilegales“. If your friend took the time now to legally register their purchase of the auto in the United States, and got an official title from their US state of residence, then your friend would clearly be the legal owner and could legitimately file for a Safe Returns permit.
Without a title with your friend’s name printed on it, we do not know Mexican law on this dubious situation, so, we do not know who the official owner of the car is in the eyes of the Mexican Gob. A good lawyer may be able to help you determine who has proper legal standing as the owner to file for the Safe Returns program – or just register the sale of the car in the US and get a title listed in your friend’s name.
Your friend will need a title anyway – so, we advise: apply for a title and kill multiple birds with one stone.
Happy trails,
steve
Hi Steve
I temporarily imported a car into Puerto Morelos from Miami 9 years ago on an FMT visa. As my my temporary import permit expired I renewed it every 180 days at the Banjercito office in Cancun. The car has not been used for 2 years and the permit expired in 2009. My residency status has not changed, but I now re-entered the country on an FMM a few days ago. A European friend recently offered to buy the car from me. Is there anything to prevent me from driving to Chetumal. carry out the cancelling of the temporary import under my name, cross the border out of Mexico, sign the title over to my friend and for him to then cross the border with car under his name into Mexico to carry out the temporary import under his name. The second part of the question is my only option of legally exiting the country with the car applying for the safe return permit? Thanks in advance for the abuse of your knowledge and time.
Hi Mark,
Thank you for the clear description of the specifics of your situation, and for your clear questions – plus, it shows that you have done your homework before asking for help – Much Appreciated!
Your plan to go to Chetumal and transfer the car to your friend at the border appears very sound. Your friend’s case to bring the car back into Mexico could be aided by you providing a letter (in Spanish) describing your name, your friend’s name, key passport information for each of you, and further describing that you have have sold him the car (list the VIN and licensing / registration information) and that you give him your full permission to import the car into Mexico, drive the car in Mexico, and use the car as he chooses. Date the letter with the same date as the sale and title transfer.
The issue of needing the Safe Returns permit is a bit murky for Quintana Roo. There is a good case to be made that Q, Roo is a special tourist zone (like Baja California), and that you do not need a TIP to drive a foreign plated car within Q. Roo, (especially within 20 km of the coast). Aduana, Banjercito, and police have given contradictory advice on this point – and there are many many expats reports that they drive their foreign plated cars in Q. Roo with no Temporary Import Permits. So, other than that, I have no other advice to give on this.
Happy Trails,
steve
Hi Steve
Many thanks for the info and the prompt response. I’ll keep you updated on how it all goes.
Mark
Great!
Hi,
I have a temp car permit as Fmm, can it be renewed without going to the border, like in guadalajara, jalisco?
Thanks for your time!
Hi Veronica,
You can either get an Inmigrante Rentista (FM2 with outside investment, pension or savings income) or No Inmigrante (FM3) permit from INM, and go to Aduana to get a letter certifying that you have extended your INM permit expiration date – or – go to the border and renew both your FMM and TIP. When you signed the paperwork for the Temporary Import Permit, you agreed to take the car out of Mexico before your INM permit expires.
steve
Hi Steve
To update you on my trip to the Belize border for anyone who wants to sell their car to another foreign passport holder.
I drove to Subteniente Lopez (Chetumal / Belize) border town and crossed out of Mexico. Upon crossing the border there is a Banjercito office on your left with a car park. I removed the temporary import sticker from the windscreen and along with the remainder of the permit presented it at the Banjercito office. They took a foto of the VIN on the car and within 5 minutes gave me the receipt that my permit had been satisfactorily cancelled. My permit was 2 years out of date but they didn’t even question it. I went through at least 6 different police roadblocks along the way and they didn’t question it either. The person I was selling the car to went with me. I endorsed the title to him and he presented it along with his passport and immigration form to Barjercito and no problem at all, within 15 minutes he had his permit to reenter the car into Mexico under his name. They didn’t ask for any other documentation just the endorsed title. It was the same Banjercito person who completed the process and we told her in advance what we were going to do. My experience with Banjercito has varied according to the person you are dealing with but in this case it was easy and efficient.
Thanks for the help and I hope this helps someone else in the future.
Hi Mark,
Thanks for the highly detailed and informative report.
Your update is dandy !
steve
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I bought a car in Mexico while I had a valid FM3. It was registered legally in Mexico City and all tenencias and inspections are up to date. My FM3 expired and I did not choose to renew it. Is my car still legally registered in Mexico?
Hey wk,
Nope. The car is not legal to drive, and it could be permanently confiscated at a reten, or routine traffic stop, or if you have an accident.
steve
I live in Playa del Camen, Have had a FM3 rentista Visa and own a 2000Lexus, made in Japan, and can’t get Mexican Plates. I’ve been getting TIP’s in Chetumal. Because of health reasons I didn’t get a current TIP and am wondering what the penalty is when I renew the TIP. I have also heard that I do not need a TIP because Q. Roo is a free zone. Your help is greatly appreciated
Jarl,
Since you kept your FM3 current, then your TIP automatically remained current. You are supposed to register the INM FM# renewals and your new expiration date with Aduanas every year. By not notifying Aduana of your renewed FM3, you may have lost any cash deposit you made with Banjercito for the TIP. If you used a credit card to hold your deposit, but no charge was made by Banjercito, then you likely have no loss of deposit. Go to Aduana, submit your letter describing your car and your new INM info. Aduana will give you a letter to carry in your car confirming your current TIP expiration date.
We have heard no definitive ruling by Quintana Roo officials saying that foreign plated cars must have a TIP. Since you already have a TIP, you should keep it’s expiration date current by notifying Aduana every year, which allows you to drive the car outside of Q. Roo.
steve
To clarify, I didn’t get a TIP for last year on my Lexus.
Thanks for th good news! You have a great, informative web site, I would also suspect that I need to keep my current car license plates up to date. Thanks again for everyting!
I have a 1999 Honda with MN plates in Acapulco. The car is legal under a FM3 and has been registered with the Aduana each year. I would like to ship the car back to the US or have someone legally drive it to the US. Is this possible and, if so, how can it be done?
Thanks!
Hi Dean,
If you use a shipper, they will provide the details of what they want. If you find a driver, they need to be either a family member or have a Mexican visa of the same category (FM3) as yours.
Are you taking the car out of Mexico permanently or temporarily?
Expats report that Aduana/Banjercito requires the original Aduana/Banjercito paperwork/document for any transactions/filings at the border – copies are not accepted, so, you might have to send the car with it’s original Aduana temporary import permit on its trip to the border.
Happy Trails,
steve
My wife and I are attempting to ship our 2011 Subaru from Vancouver to Manzanilla. We were just informed that it may not be possible to import a car that is not new if it is less than 5 years old in order to protect the Mexican market. Since we will be completing our FM 3 when we arrive, is there something that would not allow us a temporary permit if the car is shipped along with our household goods, rather than driven into the country?
As the shipper is now asking if we would like to cancel our plans, there is some urgency in this question. We will try to get information from the Vancouver consulate, but any clarification you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Mark
Mark,
Under Aduana rules, you can import the car under a Temporary Import Permit linked to your FM3. Each shipping company and each Mexican Customs Broker has their own rules about how to ship and import things – since they have some liability. Cars typically need to be shipped and imported in a separate manner or separate sub-transaction – with nothing stored in the car (other than original equipment like the spare tire and jack etc). Just 6 months ago, a friend had their household goods and 2 vehicles shipped into the port at Progreso using Linea Peninsular out of Florida. Each vehicle was handled separately from the household goods – where their household goods were released first, then one vehicle under the husband’s FM3, then the second vehicle under the son’s FM3.
Do Canadian shipping companies have different rules? Lo no se… Give us a report when you get things settled with your shipper and Customs Broker. Individual seaports may have their own rules – where regional offices of Mexican Govt. organizations are given some lee-way for implementing the policies.
steve
Great information. Planning on retiring and moving to Mexico next year. I have a 2005 car so it will be 8 years old when we move. My wife is a Mexican citizen(I’m not), so would it make sense to title the car in her name to avoid some of these issues or would it create a whole different set of problems?
John
John,
Our situation is similar, and we chose to nationalize (permanently import) both of ours. Some Mexican states do have annual taxes (in the form of a tenencia like a personal property tax). This might mean that you would have to pay an annual tax by permanently importing it. Yucatan waives the tax for older vehicles. Since some US states require that licensed vehicles be insured, if you also live in a Mexican state that requires that your US license plates/registration be current (like Baja California), then to keep your Temporary Imported vehicle legal, you wind up paying US insurance just to keep the US license valid/current.
Happy trails,
steve
Hi Steve:
This is my second attempt to ask a question: the first attempt just disappeared. I hope it doesn’t show up again as a duplicate.
Anyway, we paid the $300 US temp import fee with our VISA card when entering Mexico last October. Then, last month, we returned to the States, stopping at Aduana to remove the sticker, etc. They said the credit would show on our VISA the following day. Now, a month later, we still don’t have the credit, although Aduana says it was issued, and my bank says not.
At the two phone numbers I have for Aduana in Matamoros, where we crossed, I can find no English-speakers, and my Spanish isn’t good enough to explain this somewhat complicated issue. Any thoughts on how I can get back my $300?
Mike
Hi Steve,
First of all thank you for all the great information and time you are taking to help everyone with their questions. My situation is the same as many others, but after reading many of the responses am trying to figure out the best possible solution for our dilemna. We brought in a 1995 Lexus SC 400 by ship into Progreso two years ago and with US plates. We have not upgraded to FM3 or FM2 because we are back and forth to the US every month, we live in Playa Del Carmen and plan on getting the FM3 sooner than later now that I am a little scared for the car. We were told before by the officials at Banjercito that we could let the temporary permit expire as long as you were in a state that bordered another country i.e., Belize and that we didn’t drive the car out of Q Roo. We were driving to Belize every six months to renew, but haven’t been in over a year so the car is illegal. My question is can we still go to the Belize border and get the sticker renewed until we obtain our FM3 then I am hoping we can make the car legal to stay with the over 10 year Nafta agreement. What are your suggestions or what is the best course of action? Does the old rule for Q Roo apply? We have heard from other friends that many proposed rule changes were either in effect as of recently or coming soon? We have decided not to drive anymore as we have had a few close calls being pulled over by policia municipal. Do you suggest we call Banjercito again at the Belize border? If we have to we will drive it out on the temporary permit to leave Mexico.
Thanks for your input,
Randy
Hey Randy,
It it were me, I would get the FM3 or FM2 (as the person who’s name is listed as owner on the title of the vehicle). I would then apply for a Safe Return permit with Aduana, that will give you 3-5 days to legally drive to the Belize border – with no hassles if the police stop you at one of the many retens (checkpoints) – or if you get into an accident. At the border, turn in the old permit to Banjercito/Aduana without saying anything. Go into the Free Zone and do a little shopping or gamble at a casino. Return to Banjercito/Aduana and request a Temporary Import permit with your new FM3/FM2 – and drive around the Yucatan Peninsula with confidence for a year.
Risky folks could choose to drive to Belize with no Safe Return permit, and hope that the police do not inquire and hope for no accidents. If the police stop you and notice the discrepency, they can permanently confiscate your car => a long (expensive) walk home?
If you consider trying to bring the car into Q.Roo without a permit, read the Q.Roo poster’s story (in the Comments above) about the problems that other expats are having taking this approach.
All the best & happy motoring,
steve
Steve, thank you were are going to go stand in line tomorrow for the FM3! Appreciate your help!
Randy